Solve Algebra Homework: 7((45y+30)/14)+9y=225

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The discussion revolves around an algebraic equation: 7((45y + 30)/14) + 9y = 225. Participants are examining the manipulation of the equation, particularly focusing on how the terms are simplified and transformed.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the steps taken to simplify the equation, specifically the disappearance of the 7 and the division by 14. There is also confusion regarding why the entire equation is multiplied by 14 and divided by 7, rather than just the left-hand side.

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Several participants have provided insights into the reasoning behind the algebraic manipulations. There is an ongoing exploration of the principles of maintaining equality in equations and the implications of multiplying or dividing both sides. No consensus has been reached, but productive questions and clarifications are being discussed.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration into the algebraic concepts. There is an emphasis on understanding the rules of algebra rather than simply applying them.

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Homework Statement


7((45y + 30)/14) + 9y = 225

the next line reads

45y + 30 + 18y = 450

Where did the 7 go? What was divided by 14?

I'm not sure how this part was done, I undertand how to get the rest though...

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7((45y + 30)/14) + 9y = 225


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I can get the rest, but I simply have no idea how this part was done (it was example in book). It appers to inverse 7/14 and multiply it by 9y, but I don't know why...
 
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7((45y + 30)/14) + 9y = 225

Lets make that more readable: $$7\left ( \frac{45y+30}{14}\right )+9y=225$$ ... multiply everything by 14, divide everything by 7. i.e. multiply through by 2.
 
Simon Bridge said:
7((45y + 30)/14) + 9y = 225

Lets make that more readable: $$7\left ( \frac{45y+30}{14}\right )+9y=225$$ ... multiply everything by 14, divide everything by 7. i.e. multiply through by 2.

Thanks, the only thing I don't get is...

1) why it becomes 2. If you took 14 out of the denominator wouldn't it become (7)(1/14) = 7/14?

2) Why do you multiply everything, including 225, not simply (45y + 30)?
 
939 said:
Thanks, the only thing I don't get is...

1) why it becomes 2. If you took 14 out of the denominator wouldn't it become (7)(1/14) = 7/14?
7/14 = 1/2. One way to get rid of that 1/2 is to multiply both sides of the equation by 2.
939 said:
2) Why do you multiply everything, including 225, not simply (45y + 30)?

Because whatever you do to one side of an equation, you have to do also to the other side.
 
I have to do the same thing to both sides in order to keep the expression true.

i.e. if y+2=4 is true
then it is also true that 2y+4=8 (x2 all through)
and it is also true that y+4=6 (+2 to both sides)

But it is not true that 2y+4=4 (x2 to the LHS only).

We can do anything we want to the equation: so long as we do it to both sides, the expression remains true. Some things we can do are more useful than others - i.e. none of the above tells you what value of y makes the expression true.

If we subtracted 2 from both sides, though...

For your problem - you can find the solution by multiplying through by 14, then dividing through by 7. x14/7=x2 !

OR, you could expand out the brackets, then put the LHS over a common denominator...
 
Mark44 said:
7/14 = 1/2. One way to get rid of that 1/2 is to multiply both sides of the equation by 2.

Because whatever you do to one side of an equation, you have to do also to the other side.

Highly appreciated, Mark.

Simon Bridge said:
I have to do the same thing to both sides in order to keep the expression true.

i.e. if y+2=4 is true
then it is also true that 2y+4=8 (x2 all through)
and it is also true that y+4=6 (+2 to both sides)

But it is not true that 2y+4=4 (x2 to the LHS only).

We can do anything we want to the equation: so long as we do it to both sides, the expression remains true. Some things we can do are more useful than others - i.e. none of the above tells you what value of y makes the expression true.

If we subtracted 2 from both sides, though...

For your problem - you can find the solution by multiplying through by 14, then dividing through by 7. x14/7=x2 !

OR, you could expand out the brackets, then put the LHS over a common denominator...

Thanks Simon Bridge, got it!
 
No worries.

If you are seeing expressions like above then you've probably been doing algebra for some time and being puzzled by it suggests that you were taught by the "transferring numbers from one side to the other" approach - rules like "swap sides swap signs" that sort of thing. Not helpful when you get to more complicated expressions.
 

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