Solve Castigiliano Method for Continuous Beam Problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a continuous beam problem using the Castigliano method, focusing on finding the reactions in the beam under a distributed load. Participants explore the application of energy principles and the necessary equations to derive the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • The problem involves a continuous beam ABC with reactions at three supports (Ra, Rb, Rc) and a distributed load q.
  • Initial equations for force and moment balances are proposed, but inconsistencies in sign conventions are noted by participants.
  • Participants discuss the integration of the moment squared to find energy, with one expressing difficulty in performing the integration over the specified intervals.
  • A formula for energy in terms of force is introduced, prompting questions about its derivation and application.
  • Clarifications on the differentiation of moment squared with respect to force are provided, with references to the chain rule in calculus.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the notation and the meaning of Mf(x) in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply the Castigliano method and the relevant equations, but there are disagreements regarding sign conventions and the interpretation of certain terms. The discussion remains unresolved as participants work through the complexities of the problem.

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There are limitations in the clarity of notation and assumptions regarding the definitions of variables, particularly in the context of differentiation and integration. Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the application of the formulas discussed.

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Homework Statement


Problem:
a continuous beam ABC simply presses, loaded with a distributed load q, the length of the beam is 2L.
EI=constant
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find the reactions in the beam ,we use Castigiliano method.

Homework Equations


- U=(1/2EI)∫M^2 dx (U: Energy)
- dU/dP=d (d: displacement)

The Attempt at a Solution


first we have 3 reactions (Ra,Rb,Rc) in the supports.
∑F=0→ Ra+Rb+Rc=ql
∑M/A=0 → Rb+2Rc=3ql/2
for the moment flexing : 0≤x<L
- M(x)= -Ra*x .
L≤x<2L
M(x)=-Ra*x+Rb*(x-L)-(qL/2)*(x-L)^2
my problem is how to find the energy equation??
Thanx.
 

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You seem to have some sign inconsistency.
In your force balance you have Ra and Rb with the same sign, but in the torque balance they have opposite signs.
What is your sign convention?

To get the energy, you have to integrate (M2/(2EI)).dx no?
 
First thanks for your answer Sir ,
I made a mistake ∑F=0→ -Ra+Rb+Rc=ql
- the positive sense for the moment is the clockwise.
yes I know to get energy I have to integrate (M^2/(2EI)).dx , but it's complicated to integrate from 0 to L M^2/(2EI);dx with (M(x)=-Ra*x and from L to 2L M^2/(2EI) with M(x)=-Ra*x+Rb*(x-L)-(qL/2)*(x-L)^2 .
I saw in some document this formula :du/df=(1/EI)*∫M*(dM/df) dx (f: force) but I do not know how they are found that.
thanx
 
Zouatine said:
this formula :du/df=(1/EI)*∫M*(dM/df) dx
That is obtained from the first formula simply by differentiating wrt f. Because the integration bounds are fixed, you can simply differentiate through the integral sign as though it wasn't there. You then use the chain rule to get from d(M2)/df to 2M dM/df.

Can you find dM/df?
 
thanx, so to find dM/df , I choose Ra so,
1- dM/dRa =-x
2- dM/dRa =-x
and after that
du/dRa=(1/EI)*∫(-x*Ra)*(-x) dx+(1/EI)*∫(-x*Ra+Rb*(x-L)-(qL/2)*(x-L)^2)*(-x) dx =0
with (0<x<L) and in second (L<x<2L).
and I find Ra in this equation, just one more question about this du/df=(1/EI)*∫M*(dM/df) dx
Mf (x) it is according to f , when we drift : we find this 2Mf(x) * dMf(x)/df
thanx sir
 
Zouatine said:
Mf (x) it is according to f , when we drift : we find this 2Mf(x) * dMf(x)/df
Sorry, I don't understand your question. What is "Mf(x)"? If you mean literally M multiplied by f(x), I do not see any f that is a function of x. If you mean M as a function if f and x, that would be written M=M(f,x).
 
Sorry. My english is not good my question was how you found this :
d(M^2)/df =2M* dM/df
 
thanx , Sir
 

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