Solve Complex Integration: Find 2.36 Area of y=-x/2e+1/e+e & y=e^x/2

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The discussion revolves around finding the exact area between two functions: a linear function given by \(y=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e\) and an exponential function \(y=\frac{e^x}{2}\). Participants explore the integration required to determine this area over the interval from \(x=0\) to \(x=2\), while also addressing the complexities involved in solving for points of intersection and calculating the area accurately.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the area to be found is 2.36, seeking it in exact form.
  • Another participant confirms the functions involved and expresses uncertainty about the integration process.
  • There is a discussion about finding the point of intersection of the two functions, leading to a complex expression involving the product log function \(W\).
  • One participant expresses difficulty with the mathematical complexity and seeks clarification on the area calculation related to a normal line at a specific point.
  • Another participant provides a derivative of the exponential function and derives the equation of the normal line, suggesting an integral to find the area.
  • Subsequent posts involve attempts to compute the integral and simplify the expressions, with some participants correcting each other’s work and discussing the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.
  • There are indications of confusion and mistakes in the application of integration techniques, with participants working through their calculations collaboratively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the functions involved and the need to find the area between them. However, there are multiple competing approaches to the integration and calculation of the area, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact area calculation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the integration steps and the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, indicating potential misunderstandings in the mathematical process. The discussion also highlights the complexity of finding intersections and the use of numerical methods.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in calculus, particularly in understanding integration techniques, area calculations between curves, and the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus in practical scenarios.

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The area of two lines that I need to find is 2.36, however i need this in exact form. The lines are y=-x/2e+1/e+e the other line is y=e^x/2
Since y=-x/2e+1/e+e is on top it is the first function.
A=(the lower boundary is 0 and the top is 2) -x/2e+1/e+e-e^x/2

If you could please help!
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! :)

I am assuming the linear function is:

$$f(x)=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e$$

And the exponential function is:

$$g(x)=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

Are those correct?
 
MarkFL said:
Hello, and welcome to MHB! :)

I am assuming the linear function is:

$$f(x)=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e$$

And the exponential function is:

$$g(x)=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

Are those correct?
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I am trying to find the area created by those two lines, however I can't integrate this, thank you for responding and for the welcome :D
 
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Okay, so my assumptions were correct. So we wish to find this area (given that \(0\le x\le2\)):

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So, we need to find the \(x\)-coordinate of the point of intersection. Hence, we need to solve:

$$-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

We cannot get a solution in terms of elementary functions, and in fact we find:

$$x=-W\left(e^{3+2e^2}\right)+2+2e^2$$

Where \(W\) is the product log function. Using a numeric root finding technique, we find:

$$x\approx1.7124201115416355473$$

And so the area would be approximately given by:

$$A\approx\int_0^{1.7124201115416355473} -\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e-\frac{e^x}{2}\,dx+\int_{1.7124201115416355473}^2 \frac{e^x}{2}-\left(-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e\right)\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, so my assumptions were correct. So we wish to find this area (given that \(0\le x\le2\)):

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So, we need to find the \(x\)-coordinate of the point of intersection. Hence, we need to solve:

$$-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

We cannot get a solution in terms of elementary functions, and in fact we find:

$$x=-W\left(e^{3+2e^2}\right)+2+2e^2$$

Where \(W\) is the product log function. Using a numeric root finding technique, we find:

$$x\approx1.7124201115416355473$$

And so the area would be approximately given by:

$$A\approx\int_0^{1.7124201115416355473} -\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e-\frac{e^x}{2}\,dx+\int_{1.7124201115416355473}^2 \frac{e^x}{2}-\left(-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e\right)\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
Actually, because I do not do very hard maths, it is just 0<x<2
That is wayyy to complicated for me to understand. Desmos deformed it because my graphing calculator says different.
What I am doing is for my maths assignment:

So I had to find the equation of the normal for the point (2,e)
Which was = to the eq of the line y=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e
So I need to find the area of e^x/2 and - from the normal
Which hopefully i am right would = to normal-curve = the area of the weird triangle, because i need it on exact form.

The original question is: The diagram shows part of the curve with the equation y=e^x/2. Find the exact area bound by the curve and the lines AB and BC.
THANK YOU THOUGH! I APPRECIATE IT A LOT!
 

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Okay, this is a different problem. I didn't notice the difference between my assumptions and the functions you have in the live calculator above. Sorry for the confusion.

We are given the curve:

$$y=e^{\frac{x}{2}}$$

Let's find the derivative:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{2}e^{\frac{x}{2}}[$$

And so the slope of the normal line is:

$$m=\left.-\frac{dx}{dy}\right|_{x=2}=-\frac{2}{e}$$

And so the normal line is given by:

$$y=-\frac{2}{e}(x-2)+e$$

And thus, the shaded area is given by:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}(x-2)+e-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx$$

Let's clean that up a bit:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}x+\frac{e^2+4}{e}-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx$$

So, our integrand has 3 types of expressions...one with \(x\) to the first power, a constant, and an exponential. Do you have any thoughts on how to find the anti-derivative?
 
yes.
$$$$ A=[-x^2e+ ((e^3+4x)/e^2))-1/2e^-0.5x]

I think?
 
I find:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}x+\frac{e^2+4}{e}-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx=\left[-\frac{1}{e}x^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}x-2e^{\frac{x}{2}}\right]_0^2$$

Do you see that if you differentiate the anti-derivative within the brackets, you get the integrand? I used the power rule and the rule for exponential functions to get it.

Can you proceed?
 
that makes much more sense- I can proceed :)
\[ A=((-1/e)2^2+(2^2+4/e)2-2e^2/2)-((-1/e)0^2+(0^2+4/4)(0)-2e^0/2)) \]
which simplifies to
\[ A=((-1/e)(4))+((8/e)(2)-2e^1)-(2e^0) \]
this is as far as i got :)
\( A=((-1/e)(4))+((8/e)(2)-2e)-(2) \)
 
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You are making some mistakes in your application of the FTOC.

$$A=\left(-\frac{1}{e}2^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}2-2e^{\frac{2}{2}}\right)-\left(-\frac{1}{e}0^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}0-2e^{\frac{0}{2}}\right)$$

$$A=-\frac{4}{e}+\frac{2e^2+8}{e}-2e+2=\frac{2(e+2)}{e}$$
 
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MarkFL said:
You are making some mistakes in your application of the FTOC.

$$A=\left(-\frac{1}{e}2^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}2-2e^{\frac{2}{2}}\right)-\left(-\frac{1}{e}0^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}0-2e^{\frac{0}{2}}\right)$$

$$A=-\frac{4}{e}+\frac{2e^2+8}{e}-2e+2=\frac{2(e+2)}{e}$$
Sorry I've been staring at maths all day. Thank you so much for the help! You are a lifesaver!
 

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