MHB Solve Complex Integration: Find 2.36 Area of y=-x/2e+1/e+e & y=e^x/2

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The discussion focuses on finding the exact area between the linear function y=-x/2e+1/e+e and the exponential function y=e^x/2 from x=0 to x=2. The point of intersection is determined to be approximately x=1.712, which is derived using the product log function. The area is calculated using definite integrals, with the integrand consisting of both linear and exponential components. The final expression for the area simplifies to A=2(e+2)/e, showcasing the complexity of the integration process involved. The participants express gratitude for the assistance in solving the mathematical problem.
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The area of two lines that I need to find is 2.36, however i need this in exact form. The lines are y=-x/2e+1/e+e the other line is y=e^x/2
Since y=-x/2e+1/e+e is on top it is the first function.
A=(the lower boundary is 0 and the top is 2) -x/2e+1/e+e-e^x/2

If you could please help!
 
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Hello, and welcome to MHB! :)

I am assuming the linear function is:

$$f(x)=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e$$

And the exponential function is:

$$g(x)=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

Are those correct?
 
MarkFL said:
Hello, and welcome to MHB! :)

I am assuming the linear function is:

$$f(x)=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e$$

And the exponential function is:

$$g(x)=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

Are those correct?
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I am trying to find the area created by those two lines, however I can't integrate this, thank you for responding and for the welcome :D
 
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Okay, so my assumptions were correct. So we wish to find this area (given that \(0\le x\le2\)):

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So, we need to find the \(x\)-coordinate of the point of intersection. Hence, we need to solve:

$$-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

We cannot get a solution in terms of elementary functions, and in fact we find:

$$x=-W\left(e^{3+2e^2}\right)+2+2e^2$$

Where \(W\) is the product log function. Using a numeric root finding technique, we find:

$$x\approx1.7124201115416355473$$

And so the area would be approximately given by:

$$A\approx\int_0^{1.7124201115416355473} -\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e-\frac{e^x}{2}\,dx+\int_{1.7124201115416355473}^2 \frac{e^x}{2}-\left(-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e\right)\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, so my assumptions were correct. So we wish to find this area (given that \(0\le x\le2\)):

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So, we need to find the \(x\)-coordinate of the point of intersection. Hence, we need to solve:

$$-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e=\frac{e^x}{2}$$

We cannot get a solution in terms of elementary functions, and in fact we find:

$$x=-W\left(e^{3+2e^2}\right)+2+2e^2$$

Where \(W\) is the product log function. Using a numeric root finding technique, we find:

$$x\approx1.7124201115416355473$$

And so the area would be approximately given by:

$$A\approx\int_0^{1.7124201115416355473} -\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e-\frac{e^x}{2}\,dx+\int_{1.7124201115416355473}^2 \frac{e^x}{2}-\left(-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e\right)\,dx$$

Can you proceed?
Actually, because I do not do very hard maths, it is just 0<x<2
That is wayyy to complicated for me to understand. Desmos deformed it because my graphing calculator says different.
What I am doing is for my maths assignment:

So I had to find the equation of the normal for the point (2,e)
Which was = to the eq of the line y=-\frac{x}{2e}+\frac{1}{e}+e
So I need to find the area of e^x/2 and - from the normal
Which hopefully i am right would = to normal-curve = the area of the weird triangle, because i need it on exact form.

The original question is: The diagram shows part of the curve with the equation y=e^x/2. Find the exact area bound by the curve and the lines AB and BC.
THANK YOU THOUGH! I APPRECIATE IT A LOT!
 

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Okay, this is a different problem. I didn't notice the difference between my assumptions and the functions you have in the live calculator above. Sorry for the confusion.

We are given the curve:

$$y=e^{\frac{x}{2}}$$

Let's find the derivative:

$$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{2}e^{\frac{x}{2}}[$$

And so the slope of the normal line is:

$$m=\left.-\frac{dx}{dy}\right|_{x=2}=-\frac{2}{e}$$

And so the normal line is given by:

$$y=-\frac{2}{e}(x-2)+e$$

And thus, the shaded area is given by:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}(x-2)+e-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx$$

Let's clean that up a bit:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}x+\frac{e^2+4}{e}-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx$$

So, our integrand has 3 types of expressions...one with \(x\) to the first power, a constant, and an exponential. Do you have any thoughts on how to find the anti-derivative?
 
yes.
$$$$ A=[-x^2e+ ((e^3+4x)/e^2))-1/2e^-0.5x]

I think?
 
I find:

$$A=\int_0^2 -\frac{2}{e}x+\frac{e^2+4}{e}-e^{\frac{x}{2}}\,dx=\left[-\frac{1}{e}x^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}x-2e^{\frac{x}{2}}\right]_0^2$$

Do you see that if you differentiate the anti-derivative within the brackets, you get the integrand? I used the power rule and the rule for exponential functions to get it.

Can you proceed?
 
that makes much more sense- I can proceed :)
\[ A=((-1/e)2^2+(2^2+4/e)2-2e^2/2)-((-1/e)0^2+(0^2+4/4)(0)-2e^0/2)) \]
which simplifies to
\[ A=((-1/e)(4))+((8/e)(2)-2e^1)-(2e^0) \]
this is as far as i got :)
\( A=((-1/e)(4))+((8/e)(2)-2e)-(2) \)
 
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You are making some mistakes in your application of the FTOC.

$$A=\left(-\frac{1}{e}2^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}2-2e^{\frac{2}{2}}\right)-\left(-\frac{1}{e}0^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}0-2e^{\frac{0}{2}}\right)$$

$$A=-\frac{4}{e}+\frac{2e^2+8}{e}-2e+2=\frac{2(e+2)}{e}$$
 
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MarkFL said:
You are making some mistakes in your application of the FTOC.

$$A=\left(-\frac{1}{e}2^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}2-2e^{\frac{2}{2}}\right)-\left(-\frac{1}{e}0^2+\frac{e^2+4}{e}0-2e^{\frac{0}{2}}\right)$$

$$A=-\frac{4}{e}+\frac{2e^2+8}{e}-2e+2=\frac{2(e+2)}{e}$$
Sorry I've been staring at maths all day. Thank you so much for the help! You are a lifesaver!
 

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