Solve De Moivre's Theorem for z^10

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The discussion revolves around finding \( z^{10} \) for \( z = 1 - i \) using De Moivre's Theorem. Participants explore the modulus and argument of the complex number, as well as the implications of angle adjustments in the context of the theorem.

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  • Participants attempt to calculate the modulus and argument of \( z \), questioning the necessity of adding \( 2\pi \) in their calculations. They also discuss the implications of small numerical values resulting from cosine evaluations and whether these can be ignored.

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Some participants provide insights into the evaluation process, noting that adding \( 2\pi \) does not change the angle and that the small values from calculations may stem from rounding errors. There is a recognition of different approaches to simplifying the expression, but no consensus is reached on the necessity of certain steps.

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Participants reference the use of calculators and the potential for approximation errors in trigonometric calculations. The discussion includes considerations of angle representation within specific intervals.

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Homework Statement


Let z = 1 − i. Find z^10.


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]|z|= \sqrt{(1)^{2}+{-1}^2}[/itex]
[itex]a=|z|cos(\theta )[/itex], [itex]b=|z|sin(\theta )[/itex]
and we find that [itex]\theta[/itex] = -pi/4 or 7*pi/4 (Accoridng to this, it is in the fourth quadrant )

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14655573/latex/dem.PNG

Why do we add 2*pi at the end? And moreover, if I use 7*pi/4, I notice that the cosine will vanish to 1.2e-12 close to zero, but are we really allowed to ignore that vanish value, and instead write -32i ?

Thanks!
 
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jwxie said:

Homework Statement


Let z = 1 − i. Find z^10.


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]|z|= \sqrt{(1)^{2}+{-1}^2}[/itex]
[itex]a=|z|cos(\theta )[/itex], [itex]b=|z|sin(\theta )[/itex]
and we find that [itex]\theta[/itex] = -pi/4 or 7*pi/4 (Accoridng to this, it is in the fourth quadrant )

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14655573/latex/dem.PNG

Why do we add 2*pi at the end? And moreover, if I use 7*pi/4, I notice that the cosine will vanish to 1.2e-12 close to zero, but are we really allowed to ignore that vanish value, and instead write -32i ?

Thanks!

How are you getting 1.2 * 10-12? That sounds like a calculator rounding error for cos(7π/4 * 10), which IS equal to 0.
 
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There is no requirement to add 2pi when expanding z^n according to DeMoivre. Line 3 in the attachment evaluates to the correct result. The small quantity you obtained when evaluating the cosine is due to the approximation your calculator uses to calculate values for this function. Remember, cos(x) = 0 for all values of x = (2k+1)* pi/2 and k is any integer.
 
Hi Char. Limit.
I guess you are right. That's what I am wondering too... since that would definitely give zero. Sometime I do stuff on the calculator just to simplify things.

and thanks SteamKing. You both are right.
So I guess the whole purpose of adding 2pi is just to simplify the expression. (actually -5pi/2 will be fine).

TI-83 I am using. Interesting, huh?
 
jwxie said:

Homework Statement


Let z = 1 − i. Find z^10.


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]|z|= \sqrt{(1)^{2}+{-1}^2}[/itex]
[itex]a=|z|cos(\theta )[/itex], [itex]b=|z|sin(\theta )[/itex]
and we find that [itex]\theta[/itex] = -pi/4 or 7*pi/4 (Accoridng to this, it is in the fourth quadrant )

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14655573/latex/dem.PNG

Why do we add 2*pi at the end? And moreover, if I use 7*pi/4, I notice that the cosine will vanish to 1.2e-12 close to zero, but are we really allowed to ignore that vanish value, and instead write -32i ?

Thanks!
|z| = sqrt(2) and arg(z) = -45 degrees. We have |z^10| = 2^5 = 32 and the angle of z^10 is = 10*arg(z) = -450 degrees. In the standard interval [-180,180] degrees, this angle is -90 degrees, because 450 mod (360) = 90. So arg(z^10) = -90 degrees, hence z^10 = -32i.

RGV
 
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Adding [itex]2\pi[/itex], which obviously doesn't change the angle, to [itex]-5\pi/2[/itex] changes the form to [itex]-\pi/2] which is easily seen to be "straight down".[/itex]
 
There is an easy way (without angles) to get the result of this problem:

(1-i)10=((1-i)2)5,

As i*i=-1,

(1-i)2=-2i,

so (1-i)10=(-2)5 i5=-32i

ehild
 

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