Solve Distance Problem A & B: 6 & 10 Min Circular Mile Track

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The discussion revolves around a distance problem involving two runners, A and B, who can complete a circular mile track in 6 and 10 minutes, respectively. Participants explore how long it will take for them to pass each other while running in the same direction and in opposite directions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the size of the track is irrelevant and proposes a parametric approach to describe the runners' positions using trigonometric functions.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in understanding the parametric method and requests a simpler explanation for solving the problem.
  • A different participant proposes a simpler approach using the relationship between distance, rate, and time, suggesting that when the faster runner laps the slower runner, their distances can be expressed in terms of the track's circumference.
  • The same participant asks for the velocities of the two runners to further develop their approach.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best method to solve the problem, with differing levels of mathematical understanding and preferences for complexity in the approaches discussed.

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Some participants express limitations in their mathematical background, which affects their ability to engage with more complex solutions. There is also a lack of clarity on the velocities of the runners as the discussion progresses.

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A and B can run around a circular mile track in 6 and 10 minutes respectively. If they start at the same instant from the same place, in how many minutes will they pass each other if they run around the track (a) in the same direction, (6) in opposite directions?

can you help solve the first part of the question? thanks!
 
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I think I would first observe that the size of the track is irrelevant, and we can let the radius of the track be 1 unit. Then, I would describe the position of the runners parametrically, with time = $t$, as the parameter, measured in minutes. Let the runners begin at (1,0) and move in a counter-clockwise direction. Then their positions can be given by:

$$x(t)=\cos\left(\frac{2\pi}{T}t \right)$$

$$y(t)=\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{T}t \right)$$

where $T$ is the period of their motion, i.e., the time (in minutes) it takes for them to complete one circuit of the track.

Then equate the respective coordinates of both runners, and take the first positive solution for $t$.
 
MarkFl, I appreciate what you posted above. But it seems that it isn't in the realm of what I can comprehend at this point in time since I'm just beginning to learn algebra. can you show me the simple approach to this problem? thanks!
 
Yes, now that I think about it more, there is a much simpler approach. :D

Let $C$ be the circumference of the track, and using distance = rate times time, and subscripting the faster runner's parameters with a 1 and the slower runner with a 2. We may use the fact that when the faster runner laps the slower runner, his distance ran will be one more circumference than the slower runner, and write:

$$d_1=d_2+C$$

Use $d=vt$:

$$v_1t=v_2t+C$$

What are the velocities of the two runners?
 

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