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The discussion revolves around finding the expected value of the minimum of a geometric random variable \(X\) and a constant, specifically \(E(\min(X, 100))\) where \(X\) follows a geometric distribution with parameter \(\theta\). Participants are exploring the implications of the geometric distribution and how to manipulate summations related to expected values.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the expected value using summations and question the indexing of summation variables. There is an exploration of how to handle the cases when \(X\) is less than or equal to 100 versus when it exceeds 100.

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Some participants have provided suggestions on how to rewrite the summations for clarity and to facilitate computation. There is ongoing exploration of the mathematical steps needed to simplify the expressions, with participants expressing uncertainty about the next steps and the correctness of their manipulations.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of direct assistance. There is a focus on understanding the underlying distribution and its properties rather than arriving at a final answer.

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Homework Statement



Whats a hint to solve E(min(X,100)), when X~Geometric(theta)?

Homework Equations



geometric distribution where p is theta

The Attempt at a Solution


I got here

99
summation x*theta*(1-theta)^x
x=o

+

inf.
summation 100*theta*(1-theta)^100
x=100

But I don't know what to do now.
 
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Two suggestions:
1) Don't write your summations using x as the index of summation: if you wanted to compute E(X) you could write it as

<br /> \sum_{j=0}^\infty j \theta (1-\theta)^j<br />

Do something similar in your problem.

2) Informally, if X = 100 then it happens that \min(X, 100) = X,
so your first sum can extend to 100 and the second can start at 101.

Thus your expression can be written as

<br /> E[\min(X,100)] = \sum_{j=0}^{100} {j \, \theta (1-\theta)^j} + \sum_{j=101}^\infty {100 \, \theta (1-\theta)^j}<br />

What can you do with this?
 
for your second summation, why is it to the power of j, shouldn't it be to the power of 100, since its a constant probability when x>= 100?
 
sneaky666 said:
for your second summation, why is it to the power of j, shouldn't it be to the power of 100, since its a constant probability when x>= 100?


No - that's part of the reason I suggested changing the index of summation away from X. You use the distribution of X to calculate the expected value - the exponent in that distribution is not a constant. Perhaps it would help to think about the second sum as involving the expectation of a constant function with respect to the distribution of X.
 
ok, but what is the next step, how do i expand the summations?
 
Work on them and come back with what you tried.
 
so then the second summation can be changed to

theta(1-theta) * summation from k=100 to infinity of k(1-theta)^(k-1)
theta(1-theta) * summation from k=100 to infinity of (-d/d*theta)*(1-theta)^k
theta(1-theta) *(-d/d*theta)* summation from k=100 to infinity of (1-theta)^k
theta(1-theta) *(-d/d*theta)((1-theta)^100)/theta)
theta(1-theta) * (100theta(1-theta)^99 + (1-theta)^100)/theta^2
(1-theta) * (100theta(1-theta)^99 + (1-theta)^100)/theta
((1-theta)/theta) - (1-theta) * (100theta(1-theta)^99 + (1-theta)^100)/theta
this new term in the begginning is the expected value of a geometric distribution
((1-theta)(1-(1-theta)^100))/theta - (100theta(1-theta)^100) / theta
here i am stuck, i know this is not the answer but it is pretty close

so my last step is
99
summation ktheta(1-theta)^k
k=0
+
((1-theta)(1-(1-theta)^100))/theta
-
100(1-theta)^100

the answer i think is the middle term, but somehow i need to remove the first and third term...
 
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