Find All Possible Values of x When 3 Vectors are Linearly Dependent

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The discussion revolves around finding the possible values of x when three vectors, a, b, and c, are linearly dependent in a three-dimensional space. The vectors have specific inner product relationships, with a and b being orthogonal unit vectors, while c has a magnitude of 2. Participants explore the implications of linear dependence, suggesting that c can be expressed as a linear combination of a and b. The conversation also highlights the importance of understanding the geometric relationships between the vectors, particularly their angles and the resulting constraints on their coordinates. Ultimately, the focus is on determining the values of x based on the established relationships among the vectors.
  • #51
ehild said:
That is wrong. can be β2 negative?
##\alpha^2+\beta^2=4## and α=1, what is β2?But what values can β have?No, how come that ##1+x^2=\sqrt 3## ? This must be ##\vec c \cdot \vec c ## which is 4.

Can not have β some other value?

If β2=3 β can be √3 or -√3, but √3 is positive. At the end you wrote the correct solution, but take more care to the derivations.
i just wanted to show that ##x=\beta## ,
anyway what i learn from this problem is from a.b=0, dot product=0 show that a and b is orthogonal to each other. so it imply a and b is independent to each other and it span the plane(?) while c is dependent to both a and b, it is in the span of a and b?
but without finding c coordinate, how can you know the angle between b and c can be 150 degree?
 
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  • #52
fiksx said:
i just wanted to show that ##x=\beta## ,
anyway what i learn from this problem is from a.b=0, dot product=0 show that a and b is orthogonal to each other. so it imply a and b is independent to each other and it span the plane(?) while c is dependent to both a and b, it is in the span of a and b?
but without finding c coordinate, how can you know the angle between b and c can be 150 degree?
Yes, vector c is in the span of a and b. What is the angle between a and c (both of them)? From that, what can be the angle between b and c?
But I do not see that the angle was asked in the problem.
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  • #53
ehild said:
Yes, vector c is in the span of a and b. What is the angle between a and c (both of them)? From that, what can be the angle between b and c?
But I do not see that the angle was asked in the problem. View attachment 226295
yes from a and c 60 degree, and b and c is 30 degree, i mean there is another way to solve this using, ##x=b.c \cos \theta## ,
##x= ##
from ##a.c \cos \theta=1 ##, ##1.2 cos \theta=1##, angle between a and c is 60 degree.
##x=b.c \cos \theta## ## x=2.1 cos 30 = \sqrt3 ##
without finding coordinate, how do you know another angle is 150 degree?
 
  • #54
ehild said:
Yes, vector c is in the span of a and b. What is the angle between a and c (both of them)? From that, what can be the angle between b and c?
But I do not see that the angle was asked in the problem. View attachment 226295
ah i think i got it, there is possibility that 60 degree is obtuse or acute angle with b from a
 
  • #55
fiksx said:
yes from a and c 60 degree, and b and c is 30 degree, i mean there is another way to solve this using, ##x=b.c \cos \theta## ,
##x= ##
from ##a.c \cos \theta=1 ##, ##1.2 cos \theta=1##, angle between a and c is 60 degree.
##1\cdot 2 cos \theta=1## means that cosθ = 1/2. θ can be 60° or -60°. The angle between b and c can be 30°or 90+60= 150 °. See figure in the previous post.
 
  • #56
ehild said:
##1\cdot 2 cos \theta=1## means that cosθ = 1/2. θ can be 60° or -60°. The angle between b and c can be 30°or 90+60= 150 °. See figure in the previous post.
ok thankyou so much for the help :D learn so much from your answer! sorry I am asking too much !
 
  • #57
fiksx said:
ok thankyou so much for the help :D learn so much from your answer! sorry I am asking too much !
You are welcome :smile:
 
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