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The discussion revolves around finding integer solutions for the equation \(\frac{1}{p^2}+\frac{1}{q^2}+\frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2}=1\), focusing on the conditions under which the variables \(p\), \(q\), \(r\), and \(s\) can take specific integer values.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of assuming \(p\), \(q\), \(r\), or \(s\) equal to 1, and discuss the restrictions on their values when one of them is a large integer. There are attempts to establish inequalities based on these assumptions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the validity of certain assumptions and exploring the implications of various integer values. Some have suggested specific cases to consider, such as when \(p\) or \(q\) is greater than 2, while others are attempting to clarify the relationships between the variables.

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There is an ongoing examination of the conditions under which the integers can be equal or not equal to 1 or 2, with participants expressing uncertainty about how to proceed with proving or disproving certain cases.

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Homework Statement



find p,q,r,s integer solution

[tex]\frac{1}{p^2}+\frac{1}{q^2}+\frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2}=1[/tex]

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here some alternate form you can see

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/p^2%2B1/q^2%2B1/r^2%2B1/s^2%3D1

The Attempt at a Solution



i don't know if this works,

so i guess i have to show that [tex]p=q=r=s[/tex],

so now i only got this [tex]p|(qrs)^2\ \ ,\ q|(prs)^2\ \ ,\ r|(pqs)^2\ \ ,\ s|(pqr)^2[/tex], but i don't even know how to show [tex]p|q[/tex]

help T_T
 
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You should just do a size comparison

One side is: Can any of p, q r or s be equal to 1?

And then the flip side: What happens if p is a large integer (how are the possible sizes for q, r and s restricted)
 
Office_Shredder said:
One side is: Can any of p, q r or s be equal to 1?

it can't, i'll show to you to check my proof of this later

Office_Shredder said:
And then the flip side: What happens if p is a large integer (how are the possible sizes for q, r and s restricted)

hmm, do you mean p>2??

if yes, i only get [tex]\frac{1}{q^2}+\frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2} < \frac{1}{2}[/tex] how to get restriction on p,q,r?
 
If p>2, you should get the inequality [tex]\frac{1}{q^2}+\frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2}>\frac{3}{4}[/tex]
 
yeaa that's true, maybe i don't understand the flip flip side thing. very sleepy, i'll try understand it tomorrow. anyway, what should i do next?

assume some more what happen if q>2 ??
 
Well, if none of q,r and s are 1, what's the largest [tex]\frac{1}{q^2} + \frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2}[/tex] can be?
 
sorry i still don't get it

hmm, i guess there's nothing to do with post 3 and 4,

this is what i understand p,q,r,s can't be 1

if p>1 then largest [tex]\frac{1}{q^2} + \frac{1}{r^2}+\frac{1}{s^2}[/tex] is 3/4

then? ;P
 
Use what's in post number 4 (which you should work on solving for: why don't you post your attempt at it?)
 
aahhh, maybe i see now,

so p=q=r=s=2 is a solution.

so that we goin through is showing that p not equal 2 in Z+ is not a solution.

also i have to repeat for q,r and s right?
 
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If there is a solution for which q (or r or s) is not equal to 2, you should be able to prove in a line or two that a solution exists for which p is not equal to 2 (which gives a contradiction of course)
 

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