Solve for y: APC.7.3.01 Int Subs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving for the variable \( y \) in the context of an integral involving logarithmic functions. Participants explore different approaches to manipulating the equation and integrating without necessarily isolating \( y \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the substitution \( u = 1 + \ln(y^2) \) but expresses uncertainty about solving for \( y \).
  • Another participant indicates that solving for \( y \) is unnecessary and provides a derivation involving the integral of \( \frac{1}{y[1+\ln(y^2)]} \).
  • A participant questions the transition between steps in the integration process but later acknowledges understanding the reasoning.
  • Further clarification is provided on the integral transformation, showing how \( dy \) relates to \( du \) through the substitution.
  • Another participant confirms that while solving for \( y \) is not required, they outline the algebraic steps to express \( y \) in terms of \( u \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that solving for \( y \) is not necessary for the integral, but there are multiple approaches discussed regarding the manipulation of the equation and integration process. The discussion remains unresolved on the necessity of isolating \( y \).

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the steps in the integration process, indicating potential gaps in understanding the transformations used. The discussion also reflects varying levels of comfort with the algebraic manipulations involved.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in integral calculus, particularly those exploring logarithmic functions and substitution methods, may find this discussion beneficial.

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ok hope the image is readable
kinda odd with the y is in the denominator
but was going to start with $u=1+\ln y^2 \quad y=?? $
not sure ?
 
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no need to solve for $y$ ...

$u = 1+ \ln(y^2) = 1+2\ln{y} \implies du = \dfrac{2}{y} \, dy$

$\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{du}{u} = \dfrac{1}{2}\ln|u|+ C$

$\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{2} \ln|1+\ln(y^2)| + C$
 
ok I don't think I see what happened between the first and second step

$$dy=\frac{y}{2}du$$

never mind I see what it is😎
 
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\[ \int \dfrac{dy}{y[1+\ln(y^2)]} = \dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{1}{{\color{blue}1+2\ln{y}}} \cdot {\color{red}\dfrac{2}{y} \, dy} = \dfrac{1}{2} \int \dfrac{1}{{\color{blue}u}} \, {\color{red}du} \]
 
Yes, you don't need to solve for y. But if you did it is just algebra:
$u= 1+ ln(y^2)= 1+ 2ln(y)$
$u- 1= 2 ln(y)$
$\frac{u-1}{2}= ln(y)$
$e^{\frac{u-1}{2}}= y$.
 

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