Solve Integral: e^(x)/(e^(2X) + 9)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function e^(x)/(e^(2X) + 9). Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, including substitution techniques and the application of known integral formulas. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the steps involved and the challenges faced during the integration process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to integrate e^(x)/(e^(2X) + 9).
  • Another suggests that the numerator resembles the derivative of the denominator, prompting a discussion about integrating functions of the form f'(x)/f(x).
  • A participant notes that the numerator is e^(x) rather than e^(2x), which complicates the integration process.
  • One suggestion involves a change of variables, letting e^x equal z, leading to a standard integral of the arctangent.
  • Another participant shares their attempt at the integral, mentioning they used (1/3)arctan(e^(x)/3) but received an incorrect result.
  • A different approach is proposed using the substitution u = e^x, transforming the integral into a more recognizable form.
  • Participants discuss the application of the formula for the integral of 1/(a^2+x^2) and how it relates to their results.
  • Concerns are raised about discrepancies between calculated values and those obtained from a calculator, particularly regarding the evaluation of the definite integral.
  • One participant emphasizes that calculations in calculus should be done in radians.
  • Another participant revisits their calculations after receiving feedback and reports a different outcome, suggesting potential errors in their previous attempts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of their integration results, with some asserting their methods yield valid answers while others question their calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the final results and the methods used.

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Participants mention specific substitutions and integral forms, but there are indications of confusion regarding the application of these techniques and the evaluation of definite integrals. Some calculations depend on the mode settings of calculators, which may affect the results.

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Hey, just did a test and have no clue about this question:

Integrate:

e^(x)/(e^(2X) + 9)

Really curious how this is done. Thanx
 
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Well, the numerator is (a constant times) the derivative of the denominator. Can you integrate a function of the form \frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}?
 
I thought that too at first, but then realized that the numerator is e^(x) and not e^(2x), which would have made it a lot simpler. had it been e^(2x) i could have used ln(f(x))
 
Do a change of variables e^x to z, this yields a standard integral of the arctangent.
 
Sorry, I misread that! Anyway, willem's idea seems the way to go!
 
Yeah i tried that on the test, but didnt get too far, probably cause i havnt worked too much with arctangents (arcsins or arccosins for that matter) in calculus.

I prety much put down (1/3)arctan(e^(x)/3), but it gave me the wrong answer (PS: it was the finite integral from 0 to ln(3), so i could test it on my calculator)
 
Well \int \frac{e^x}{(e^x)^2 +9} dx is what makes the substitution u=e^x easier to see. du = e^x dx

That makes the integral \int \frac{1}{u^2+9} du which is of the arctan form, but if you haven't learned that then use the substitution u= 3 tan theta.
 
Thanx,
Well my formula booklet says: integral of 1/(a^2+x^2) = (1/a)arctan(x/a) + c

Using that logic and substitution, i got: (1/3)arctan(e^(x)/3), which isn't right. what did i do wrong here?

Using e^x =3tan(theta) I am left with dx= 3sec^2(theta) d(theta), which turns out ugly
 
Forget about replacing u with e^x with respect to my suggested substitution for now.

\int \frac{1}{u^2+3^2} du = \frac{1}{3} \int \frac{1}{\sec^2 \theta} \cdot \sec^2 \theta d\theta = \frac{1}{3} \theta + C = \frac{1}{3} \arctan (u/3) + C = \frac{1}{3} \arctan (\frac{e^x}{3}) +C which turns out the same as your formula booklet! that's because for solving that general integral, we use u=a tan theta!

Why in the world do you think that's not correct!
 
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for two reasons, firstly because calculating the finite ingtegral from 0 to ln(3) i get a different answer than using that formula (TI-83 plus). Secondly, when graphing that equation and the original equation it doesn't look like the first derivative to me.

Maybe I am just screwed up and tried everything in the wrong mode or something. Using that formula, the answer will be in radians right?

Thanx for your time btw
 
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When EVER we do calculus, everything is in Radians thanks :P

Now the answer I get is \pi/12 - 1/3 \arctan (1/3), which turns out around 0.154549203. If that TI 83 plus is different, then I can finally be assured i know more than a calculator.
 
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foges, when you say taking the finite integral from 0 to ln(3), you mean you take the integral from 0 to ln(3) of the original integral in your first post, then compare it to

\frac{1}{3}*(artcan(e^{ln(3)}/3) - arctan(e^0/3))
 
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Ok, just re did it on my calculator and i got that answer, so strange, maybe i subtracted arctan(0) or had it in the wrong mode or something. Anyways, thanks for the help.
 

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