Solve Linked Masspoints Equation of Motion: α,l,m,g

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The problem involves two particles of equal mass connected by a solid rod, with one particle moving along the y-axis and the other along the x-axis. The task is to derive the Lagrangian based on the angle α, which represents the angle of the rod with the horizontal, and to solve the equations of motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the Lagrangian and has formulated an equation of motion but expresses uncertainty about solving it, particularly regarding the small angle approximation. Other participants suggest integrating the equation and discuss the implications of a hint related to expressing time as a function of α.

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Participants are exploring different approaches to integrate the equation of motion. Some guidance has been provided regarding the integration process, but there is still uncertainty about the complexity of the integral and how to apply the hint effectively. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the problem.

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There is mention of a hint that requires expressing time as a function of α, which adds complexity to the problem. The original poster also notes difficulties in consulting the professor for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


Two particles of equal mass, one restricted to move along the y-axis and one restricted to move along the x axis, are linked by a solid rod of length l. Obtain the Lagrangian for the generalized coordinate α, defined as the angle of the rod with the horitzontal (see picture) and solve the equations of motion.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h43s1749z7852oh/2014-01-30 22.50.54.jpg

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My lagrangian looks like this: L = (m/2)l2[itex]\dot{α}[/itex]2 -mglsin(α)

From it I obtain [itex]\ddot{α}[/itex] = (g/l) cos(α)

But I don't know how to solve that. I know how to use the small angle approximation for the case when there is a sin. Here I am clueless.

And I am algo given a hint which confounds me: I am told to solve for t(α) applying the following equation: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl2xfm07wt40kdn/2014-01-30 23.00.23.jpg
 
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Let [itex]\omega=\dot \alpha[/itex].

[tex]\ddot \alpha = \frac{d \omega}{d \alpha} \frac {d \alpha }{dt}=0.5\frac{d(\omega^2)}{d \alpha} =\frac {g}{l}\cos(\alpha)[/tex]

Integrate. You get ω=dα/dt as function of alpha. Integrate again.

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Thank you, that was a clever trick! Now i can get to the equation mentioned on the hints. However I cannot go on, as the integral seems rather complex (i solved it with wolfram and ran out of computing time).

The hint actually tells me to give the result as t(α) applying the function F there defined. Would you interpret that as that I can just give t(α) = (some constants)*F(b, α)? (Yes, I know I should just ask the professor, but I have a few problems with that)
 
carllacan said:
The hint actually tells me to give the result as t(α) applying the function F there defined. Would you interpret that as that I can just give t(α) = (some constants)*F(b, α)? (Yes, I know I should just ask the professor, but I have a few problems with that)

I would say you can use the hint given.


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