Solve Mistake in Limits Problem: Find a & b for Equation Satisfaction

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The discussion revolves around a limits problem where participants are tasked with finding values for a and b in the equation LimX --> inf. (1 - X + X2)1/2 - aX - b = 0. The focus is on the methods used to approach the limit and the resulting values for a and b, exploring different interpretations and applications of limit rules.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method using the binomial theorem and concludes that a = 1 and b = -1/2, which matches the answer given in the text.
  • The same participant expresses confusion after applying a different method, leading to a conclusion of a = 1 and b = 0, questioning the validity of their reasoning.
  • Another participant suggests that the formulas for algebraic operations on limits were applied incorrectly, particularly regarding the splitting of limits across functions.
  • It is noted that the second method used by the first participant leads to the disappearance of the 1 - x term, which raises concerns about the validity of that approach.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that if a is positive, the limit expression becomes indeterminate, complicating the cancellation of terms.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their understanding of limit splitting, indicating a realization of the complexity involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of limit rules, particularly regarding the validity of splitting limits and the treatment of terms as x approaches infinity. No consensus is reached on the correct values for a and b, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their reasoning, particularly concerning the conditions under which limits can be split and the implications of terms approaching infinity. The discussion reflects a need for careful consideration of the assumptions involved in limit calculations.

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I was given this review problem in limits.

LimX --> inf. (1 - X + X2)1/2 - aX - b = 0.

I was asked to find a and b such that the above equation is satisfied, which I did as follows:

I removed an X from the entire thing and expanded the term in the brackets using binomial theorem. I get a = 1 and b = -1/2 which is the answer given in the text.

But here's what is bothering me. I did the sum another way and got a different answer and can't put my finger on the mistake.
I remove an X from the root term. And I split the limit across the functions since

Lim X-->Y f(x) + g(x) = Lim X-->Y f(x) + Lim X-->Yg(x)

Lim X-->Yf(x).g(x) = Lim X-->Yf(x) . Lim X-->Y g(x)

This gives me

LimX --> inf. X(1/X2 - 1/X + 1)1/2 - LimX --> inf. (aX + b) = 0

= [LimX --> inf. X] [LimX --> inf.(1/X2 - 1/X + 1)1/2] - LimX --> inf. (aX + b) = 0

Now the term inside the root sign goes to 1. We are left with
LimX --> inf. X - aX - b = 0

This way, the answer is a = 1 and b = 0.

Why am I getting a different answer? I used all the limit rules correctly as far as I can see.
 
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I think you are haphazardly applying the formulas for the algebraic operations on limits. Remember, you can split limits across functions provided that all limits in question actually exist. For example, I don't think you can split the square root term as you did since X goes off to infinity.
 
The second way you did it makes it so the 1 - x term disappears. Intuitively, the 1 disappearing is fine since when it comes to infinity, it's meaningless, but the x can't disappear like that.
 
First, [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} x\sqrt[]{(1/x^2 - 1/x + 1)} - ax - b = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} x\sqrt[]{(1/x^2 - 1/x + 1)} - (ax + b)[/tex].

If this limit is to go to 0, then obviously a must be positive (for if a were negative the entire expression we're trying to find the limit of would increase beyond all positive bounds). But if a is positive, then the expression above is of the indeterminate form "infinity - infinity", and so you can't say that the square root expression tends to 1 and the x's will then cancel out.
 
snipez90 said:
Remember, you can split limits across functions provided that all limits in question actually exist. For example, I don't think you can split the square root term as you did since X goes off to infinity.

D'oh! How could I forget that??
 

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