Solve Problem 1.2.10: Points on a Line from Linear Algebra & Its Applications

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The problem involves determining the conditions under which three points, specifically (0,y1), (1,y2), and (2,y3), lie on a straight line, as presented in a linear algebra context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the y-coordinates of the points and the conditions for collinearity, with some exploring the implications of specific values for y1. Others suggest considering the slopes between the points to establish conditions for the third point.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the points and the slopes. Some guidance has been offered regarding the general case and the implications of shifting y1 by a constant.

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Participants are navigating the basic principles of linear relationships and slopes, with some expressing uncertainty about their understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Problem 1.2.10 from Linear Algebra and Its Applications by Gilbert Strang:

Under what condition on [tex]y_{1}, y_{2}, y_{3}[/tex] do the points [tex](0,y_{1}), (1,y_{2}), (2,y_{3})[/tex] lie on a straight line?

Homework Equations



[tex]y = ax + b[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



If [tex]y_{1}=0[/tex],
then
[tex]y_{2}=y_{1}+1[/tex]
and
[tex]y_{3}=y_{1}+2[/tex]

This is true, but I guess it's possible to create a lot of straight lines if starting out at the origin.
My attempt at a solution even agrees with the solutions given by Strang.
Am I not reading the problem correctly?
I feel kind of silly for asking this, as it's really basic..
 
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You provide a possible solution, but there are a lot more. What they're really striving for:
Any two points on the plane will give you a unique line. So given y1 and y2, a line will pass through your first two points, and only one such line will. What are the conditions for the third line to lie on the line also? Hint: Think about the slope of the line
 
So apparently for the special case y1 = 0 you chose, your solution agrees with the general solution from the book. Now try it for general y1 (i.e. what happens if you shift y1 by a constant c?)
 
Office_Shredder said:
You provide a possible solution, but there are a lot more. What they're really striving for:
Any two points on the plane will give you a unique line. So given y1 and y2, a line will pass through your first two points, and only one such line will. What are the conditions for the third line to lie on the line also? Hint: Think about the slope of the line

Slope of the first line:

[tex]a = \frac{y_{2}-y_{1}}{x_{2}-x_{1}}[/tex]

Slope of second line:

[tex]a = \frac{y_{3}-y_{1}}{x_{3}-x_{1}}[/tex]

The slopes of the two lines must be equal:

[tex]\frac{y_{2}-y_{1}}{y_{3}-y{1}} = \frac{x_{2}-x_{1}}{x_{3}-x_{1}}[/tex]

So apparently for the special case y1 = 0 you chose, your solution agrees with the general solution from the book. Now try it for general y1 (i.e. what happens if you shift y1 by a constant c?)

I think that;

[tex]y_{2}-y_{1} = x_{2}-x_{1}[/tex]
and
[tex]y_{3}-y_{1} = x_{3}-x_{1}[/tex]

are valid for all [tex]y_{1}[/tex]

Thanks for helping me out guys!
 
Yes, now plug in the numbers for xi: you should get the same equations as in your earlier post.
 
Indeed sir,

[tex]y_{2}-y_{1} = 1 - 0 = 1[/tex]
[tex]y_{3}-y_{1} = 2 - 0 = 2[/tex]
 

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