Solve Quadratic Equation x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0

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The discussion revolves around solving the quadratic equation x^2 - 4xy + 4y^2 + x - 12y - 10 = 0, specifically focusing on isolating y in terms of x. Participants explore various methods to manipulate the equation and express y explicitly.

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  • Some participants attempt to rewrite the equation in a standard quadratic form in y, while others explore completing the square. There are questions about the validity of different approaches and the steps to take after certain transformations.

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1. Solve for y explicitly , x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0



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3. I reduced it to (x-2y)^2=-2x+12y+10 But I have no idea how to continue.
 
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greko said:
1. Solve for y explicitly , x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0



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3. I reduced it to (x-2y)^2=-2x+12y+10 But I have no idea how to continue.

Your equation is quadratic in y. Rewrite it as 4y^2 + (stuff)y + (other stuff) = 0, and use the quadratic formula.
 
Even so I can't solve for y. Can you put a step by step explanation?
 
The closest I get is (y-x)^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4, how can i proceed?
 
It is forbidden on these forums to post step-by-step solutions to a posted problem.
 
sorry, I am new, but can you explain what do I do after, (y-x)^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4?
 
Start by expanding (y-x)^2...then collect terms in powers of y.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Start by expanding (y-x)^2...then collect terms in powers of y.

From there, I get y^2-2xy-x^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4, I guess I could complete the square on the left side but I wouldn't really get anywhere I think.
 
When I say collect terms in powers of y, I mean write -2xy-3y as -(2x+3)y...so you have y^2-(2x+3)y-x^2=(3x^2-x+10)/4...subtract (3x^2-x+10)/4 from both sides of your equation and you can then use the quadratic equation to solve for y in terms of x.
 
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gabbagabbahey said:
When I say collect terms in powers of y, I mean write -2xy-3y as -(2x+3)y...so you have y^2-(2x+3)y-x^2=(3x^2-x+10)/4...subtract (3x^2-x+10)/4 from both sides of your equation and you can then use the quadratic equation to solve for y in terms of x.

So would my -x^2-((3x^2-x+10)/4) be considered as my "C" value in my quadratic.
 
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yup.
 
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greko said:
The closest I get is (y-x)^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4, how can i proceed?

greko said:
sorry, I am new, but can you explain what do I do after, (y-x)^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4?

gabbagabbahey said:
Start by expanding (y-x)^2...then collect terms in powers of y.

greko said:
From there, I get y^2-2xy-x^2-3y=(3x^2-x+10)/4, I guess I could complete the square on the left side but I wouldn't really get anywhere I think.

So... why wouldn't we just start with:
x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0
(4)y^2 + (-4x-12)y +(x^2 + x -10) = 0
a, b, c...
instead of completing - then UNcompleting - the square?
 
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The Chaz said:
So... why wouldn't we just start with:
x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0
(4)y^2 + (-4x-12)y +(x^2 + x -10) = 0
a, b, c...
instead of completing - then UNcompleting - the square?

Lol, Yes i have noticed that and yes it works!. Thanks for your help guys. I just went back to my original equation and did quadratic formula =D.
 
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Cool man. Hope to help more (or some :wink:) in the future!
 
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The Chaz said:
So... why wouldn't we just start with:
x^2-4xy+4y^2+x-12y-10=0
(4)y^2 + (-4x-12)y +(x^2 + x -10) = 0
a, b, c...
instead of completing - then UNcompleting - the square?
Which is what I was talking about in post #2...
 

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