Solve Separable Diff. Eqn.: (y-1)dx+x(x+1)dy=0

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The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation given by (y-1)dx + x(x+1)dy = 0. Participants are exploring the integration process and the resulting expressions.

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  • Participants describe attempts to separate variables and integrate both sides of the equation. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the manipulation of differentials and the interpretation of constants in the solution.

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There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between different forms of the solution, with some participants suggesting that variations in the constant do not indicate an error in the approach. Clarifications about the treatment of differentials are also being discussed.

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Some participants reference solutions from textbooks and computational tools, indicating a comparison of results. There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the manipulation of the equation during the integration process.

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Homework Statement


##(y-1)dx+x(x+1)dy=0##

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I multiplied both equation with, ##\frac {1} {(y-1)x(x+1)}## so I get
##\frac {dx} {x(x+1)}+\frac {dy} {y-1}=0##
taking integral for both sides
then I get
##ln(x)-ln(x+1)+ln(y-1)=ln(c)##
so
##ln(\frac {x(y-1)} {x+1})=ln(c)##
then I get ##xy-x=c(x+1)##

Anyone who can notice where I am doing wrong ?
 
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Arman777 said:

Homework Statement


##(y-1)dx+x(x+1)dy=0##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
I multiplied both equation with, ##\frac {1} {(y-1)x(x+1)}## so I get
##\frac {dx} {x(x+1)}+\frac {dy} {y-1}=0##
taking integral for both sides
then I get
##ln(x)-ln(x+1)+ln(y-1)=ln(c)##
so
##ln(\frac {x(y-1)} {x+1})=ln(c)##
then I get ##xy-x=c(x+1)##

Anyone who can notice where I am doing wrong ?

What makes you think something is wrong?
 
Dick said:
What makes you think something is wrong?
Im my book it says ##xy+1=c(x+1)## also in wolfram
 
Arman777 said:
Im my book it says ##xy+1=c(x+1)## also in wolfram

It's the same solution with a different choice of ##c##. Substitute ##c-1## for ##c## in your solution and you'll get the book solution.
 
fresh_42 said:
The multiplication by ##\frac {1} {(y-1)x(x+1)}## affects the differentials. You cannot treat it as a constant.

Hmm? In what way does it affect the differentials?
 
Dick said:
Hmm? In what way does it affect the differentials?
I made a mistake, sorry.
 
fresh_42 said:
I made a mistake, sorry.

It happens. No problem.
 
Dick said:
It's the same solution with a different choice of ##c##. Substitute ##c-1## for ##c## in your solution and you'll get the book solution.
So, I did right then Since ##c-1## and ##c## are same.
 
Arman777 said:
So, I did right then Since ##c-1## and ##c## is same.

RIght.
 
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