Solve tan(30)=(sin(theta))/(1+cos(theta)) Without a Graph

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation tan(30)=(sin(theta))/(1+cos(theta)) without using a graph. Participants explore various trigonometric identities and methods to manipulate the equation, seeking a solution that can be derived by hand.

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  • One participant expresses frustration at being unable to solve the equation without a graph, suggesting there must be a manual method.
  • Another participant proposes using the cotangent identity to manipulate the equation.
  • Some participants note that the original equation resembles a trigonometric identity, but they struggle to simplify it to a single variable.
  • One participant claims to have found a solution by transforming the equation into a quadratic form, but acknowledges the need to consider both positive and negative roots.
  • There is discussion about the half-angle formula for tangent and its relation to the original equation, with some participants questioning the correctness of certain expressions.
  • Participants highlight the importance of considering both roots when applying the half-angle formula, indicating that neglecting the negative root leads to an incomplete solution.
  • One participant provides a solution involving a transformation that leads to theta being equal to 60 degrees, but notes that this is just one possible solution.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to solve the equation. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with some participants agreeing on the need to consider both positive and negative roots, while others remain uncertain about the application of certain identities.

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Some participants mention the difficulty in recalling trigonometric identities, which may affect their ability to manipulate the equation effectively. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the assumptions behind certain transformations and the conditions under which they hold.

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tan(30)=(sin(theta))/(1+cos(theta))

The only way I can solve this is by using the graph on the calculator. There must be a way to solve it by hand though but I can't find it. Maybe I am just not thinking straight but its really getting to me.
 
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What about

[tex]\cot (30) = \frac {1 + \cos (\theta)}{\sqrt {1 - \cos^{2} \theta}}[/tex]

?
 
Isn't that original equation exactly in the form of one of the trig identities?
 
I tried to find a trigonometric identity that reduces the expression to one unknown, but couldn't.
 
I think I found it. It came to me when I went to get the mail. :)
basically I have this
[tex]tan(30)=\frac {\sqrt {1 - \cos^{2} \theta}}{1+\cos(\theta)}[/tex]
From here I just put it in a quadratic form and solved.
 
The original expression is essentially one of the half-angle formulas for tangent.
 
Almost, but not quite. It looks pretty tough to put it in that particular form. The way I mentioned works so I guess Ill just stick with that, especially since remembering all those identities is a pain.

Thanks for the suggestions though.
 
but not knowing them is obviously more painful.
 
trajan22 said:
Almost, but not quite. It looks pretty tough to put it in that particular form.

It's tough to put
[tex]\tan 30^\circ = \frac{\sin \theta}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex]

into the form

[tex]\tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{\sin \theta}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex]

?
 
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trajan22 said:
I think I found it. It came to me when I went to get the mail. :)
basically I have this
[tex]tan(30)=\frac {\sqrt {1 - \cos^{2} \theta}}{1+\cos(\theta)}[/tex]
From here I just put it in a quadratic form and solved.

By the way, that expression isn't right -- you don't know that the numberator is the positive root. You also have to consider

[tex]tan(30)=-\frac {\sqrt {1 - \cos^{2} \theta}}{1+\cos(\theta)}[/tex]
 
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Hurkyl said:
It's tough to put
[tex]\tan 30^\circ = \frac{\sin \theta}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex]

into the form

[tex]\tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{\sin \theta}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex]

?

Unless I am missing something I thought the half angle formula was [tex] <br /> \tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{\sqrt {1-\cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex]

Thats not the same as [tex]\tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{\sin \theta}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex] right? Or am I making a mistake?
 
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And just what multiplying [tex]\frac{\sqrt {1-\cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex] by

[tex]\frac {\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex]

gives?
 
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Werg22 said:
And just what multiplying [tex]\frac{\sqrt {1-\cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex] by

[tex]\frac {\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex]

gives?

Well, it gives:
[tex]... = \frac{\sqrt{1 - \cos ^ 2 \theta}}{1 + \cos \theta} = \frac{\textcolor{red} {|} \sin \theta \textcolor{red} {|}}{1 + \cos \theta}[/tex] (Notice that it's never negative, since there's an absolute value in it)

What you should use is Half-Angle and Power Reduction Identities:

[tex]\sin (2 \theta) = 2 \sin ( \theta ) \cos ( \theta )[/tex]

and: [tex]\cos ^ 2 \theta = \frac{1 + \cos (2 \theta)}{2}[/tex]
 
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?

One solution is found by taking the positive root and the other by taking the negative, as such

[tex]\tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{-\sqrt {1-\cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex]
 
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Werg22 said:
?

One solution is found by taking the positive root and the other by taking the negative, as such

[tex]\tan \frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{-\sqrt {1-\cos \theta}}{\sqrt{ 1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex]

What Hurkyl, and I are (?, is it is, am, or are should be used here?) trying to say is that, the expression:
[tex]\tan \left( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) = \frac{\sqrt{1 - \cos \theta}}{\sqrt{1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex] is, indeed, incorrect.

It'll be correct if you take into account its negative part as well, i.e using the (+/-) sign as you did.
 
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VietDao29 said:
What Hurkyl, and I are (?, is it is, am, or are should be used here?) trying to say is that, the expression:
[tex]\tan \left( \frac{\theta}{2} \right) = \frac{\sqrt{1 - \cos \theta}}{\sqrt{1 + \cos \theta}}[/tex] is, indeed, incorrect.

It'll be correct if you take into account its negative part as well, i.e using the (+/-) sign as you did.

Technicalities, you say tomato, I say tomato.
 
  • #17
trajan22 said:
tan(30)=(sin(theta))/(1+cos(theta))

The only way I can solve this is by using the graph on the calculator. There must be a way to solve it by hand though but I can't find it. Maybe I am just not thinking straight but its really getting to me.

tan30=sin(@)/(1+cos@)
=2sin(@\2)cos(@\2)/2cossquare(@/2)
=tan(@/2)
implies 30=@/2
@=60

here @=theta
 
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pradeep reddy said:
@=60
Of course, that's merely one solution.

(p.s. use [ code ] ... [ /code ] tags for preformatted text)
 

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