Solve the differential equation F=F0+kv

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The problem involves finding the velocity \( v \) as a function of displacement \( x \) for a particle of mass \( m \) under the influence of a force defined as \( F = F_0 + kv \). The original poster notes that while they can express the relationship in terms of time \( t \), the desired outcome is an equation solely in terms of \( x \) and \( v \), which is indicated to involve a logarithmic function according to the textbook.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the separation of variables and the dimensional correctness of the equations presented. There is mention of transforming the second-order linear ordinary differential equation into a first-order equation through substitution. Some participants also highlight the need for the side with \( dx \) to be independent of \( \dot{x} \) for proper separation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and approaches to the problem. There is a suggestion to employ separation of variables, and some guidance on checking dimensional consistency has been provided. However, no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the method to solve the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, which specifies that the particle starts from rest at \( x=0 \) and involves constants \( F_0 \) and \( k \). There is an emphasis on the need for the final equation to exclude time \( t \).

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Homework Statement



Find the velocity of v as a function of displacement x for a particle of mass m which starts from rest at x=0 and subject to the following force:

F=F_0+kv

You could say mv = F0*t + kx, but the answer in the back of the book is an equation that is only in terms of x and v, not t. The answer in the back of the book involves ln.

Homework Equations



Maybe this:

\ddot {x}= \frac{d \dot{x}}{dx}

The Attempt at a Solution



m\ddot{x}=F_0 +k\dot{x}
m\dot{x} \frac{d\dot{x}}{dx}=F_0 +k\dot{x}
m\dot{x} d\dot{x} = F_0dx + k\dot{x} dx
\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 = F_0*x + ?
 
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The second equation you wrote down in your attempted solution is separable, but in order to separate it the side with dx should not depend on ##\dot x##.
 
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OmegaKV said:

Homework Statement


Find the velocity of v as a function of displacement x for a particle of mass m which starts from rest at x=0 and subject to the following force:
F=F_0+kv
You could say mv = F0*t + kx, but the answer in the back of the book is an equation that is only in terms of x and v, not t. The answer in the back of the book involves ln.

Homework Equations


Maybe this:
\ddot {x}= \frac{d \dot{x}}{dx}
Is this eq'n dimensionally correct?

The Attempt at a Solution


m\ddot{x}=F_0 +k\dot{x}
m\dot{x} \frac{d\dot{x}}{dx}=F_0 +k\dot{x}
m\dot{x} d\dot{x} = F_0dx + k\dot{x} dx
\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2 = F_0*x + ?
 
rude man said:
Is this eq'n dimensionally correct?
Well, he is not actually using that equation. He is using ##\ddot x = \dot x \, d\dot x/dx##.
 
OmegaKV said:

Homework Statement



Find the velocity of v as a function of displacement x for a particle of mass m which starts from rest at x=0 and subject to the following force:
F=F_0+kv

The Attempt at a Solution


m\ddot{x}=F_0 +k\dot{x}
Assuming F0 and k are constants, how about a substitution of variables to reduce the 2nd order linear ODE into a 1st, then taking orodruin's hint to employ separation of variables to solve the new equation?
 
Orodruin said:
Well, he is not actually using that equation. He is using ##\ddot x = \dot x \, d\dot x/dx##.
Right, but he wrote it down & should learn to check for dimensional consistency, a powerful error-detecting tool that doesn't seem to be sufficiently emphasized in our classrooms.
 

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