Solve the Mystery of Force 2 on a 2.43 kg Box

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining a second force acting on a 2.43 kg box, given one force and the acceleration of the box. The context includes vector analysis and the relationship between forces and acceleration in a two-dimensional setup.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of finding the second force using the equation F2 = ma - F1, but question the validity of this approach given the vector nature of forces. There is confusion about the angle's relevance and the direction of forces and acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the setup and the relationship between the forces and acceleration. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to resolve forces into components, but there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed with the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The absence of a diagram is noted as a significant constraint, leading to ambiguity in interpreting the problem. Participants are also discussing the implications of the forces being in different directions and the need for vector addition.

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Homework Statement


There are two forces on the 2.43 kg box in the overhead view of the figure but only one is shown. For F1 = 20.0 N, a = 11.4 m/s2, and θ = 33.0°, find the second force (a) in unit-vector notation and as (b) a magnitude and (c) a direction. (State the direction as a negative angle measured from the +x direction.)The acceleration is in the third quadrant.

Homework Equations


So, I used F2 = m(a) - F1. To try and find Force 2 and used cos and sin to fine it in vector notation. Apparently I got that wrong, HELP!

The Attempt at a Solution


I used cos and sin to fine it in vector notation. Apparently I got that wrong, HELP!

So for a I got F2 = 2.43 * 11.4 - 20 which resulted in 7.03 or something and pluged that into (7.03 sin 33 degrees) and to find (j) and did the same with cos to find (i)

It didn't work, and magnitude and direction ended up being wrong because a) was wrong HEEEELP
 

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With no diagram, the set-up is far from clear. Is the given angle the angle between F1 and the acceleration?
If so, it makes no sense to subtract F1 from ma as mere numbers. You can only do scalar addition and subtraction for vectors in the same direction.
Think about the net force in the direction of acceleration and the net force at right angles to that.
 
haruspex said:
With no diagram, the set-up is far from clear. Is the given angle the angle between F1 and the acceleration?
If so, it makes no sense to subtract F1 from ma as mere numbers. You can only do scalar addition and subtraction for vectors in the same direction.
Think about the net force in the direction of acceleration and the net force at right angles to that.
here it is, sorry
 

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copypacer said:
here it is, sorry
Ok, my guess was almost right, and my comments stand.
 
copypacer said:
here it is, sorry
Wait I'm confused D:

Both the acceleration and force 2 are in the third quadrant, so its negative, wouldn't I still use F2 = ma - F1

so what do I do, since the two forces are not in the same direction?

I don't get it DX
 
haruspex said:
Ok, my guess was almost right, and my comments stand.
I'm trying to find the second force, so how would I solve that?
 
copypacer said:
Wait I'm confused D:

Both the acceleration and force 2 are in the third quadrant, so its negative, wouldn't I still use F2 = ma - F1

so what do I do, since the two forces are not in the same direction?

I don't get it DX
Do you know how to resolve a force into components?
 
haruspex said:
Do you know how to resolve a force into components?

...no...wait...no I don't
 
copypacer said:
...no...wait...no I don't
Well, that's rather basic, and I don't know how you would be expected to solve this problem without having been taught that.
There's a lots of stuff on the net. Try one of these:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/vectors/Lesson-3/Resolution-of-Forces

http://www.s-cool.co.uk/a-level/phy...n/revise-it/resolving-vectors-into-components
As I said, in the present problem you need to resolve the given force into a component in the direction of acceleration and another at right angles to that.
 

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