Solve these simultaneous equations that involve vectors

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The discussion revolves around solving simultaneous equations involving vectors, specifically focusing on the relationships between two vectors, denoted as A and B, and their scalar components x and y.

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  • Participants explore various methods for solving the simultaneous equations, with some expressing confusion over the original poster's approach. There are attempts to clarify the relationships between the vectors and scalars involved, as well as discussions on the correctness of the derived equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of certain steps taken in the problem-solving process. Some have indicated a willingness to check their work and confirm the correctness of the equations presented, while others are considering alternative approaches.

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There are mentions of potential typographical errors in the equations and the importance of distinguishing between vectors and scalar quantities. Participants note that the vectors involved are linearly independent, which may influence the approach to solving the equations.

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understanding of vectors and simultaneous equation
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Ok, i was able to solve this by using,
##3A=3ax+12ay+6bx+3by+3b##
##2B=2ay-4ax+4a+4bx-6by-2b##

leading us to the simultaneous equation;
##7x+10y=4##
##2x+9b=-5##
##x=2## and ##y=-1##

I had initially tried the approach of using ##3A=2B## →##B=1.5A## ...Then on substituting this in ##A##, I got
##B_1= 1.5a(x+4y) + 1.5b(2x+y+1)## this ought to be equal to,
##B_2 = a(y-2x+2)+b(2x-3y-1)##

giving me the simultaneous equation,
##3.5x+5y=2##
##x+4.5b=-2.5##

aaaaargh this is also correct, i had missed out on a term...

any other approach guys welcome...
 
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chwala said:
I had initially tried the approach of using ##3A=2B## →##B_1=1.5A## ...Then on substituting this in ##A##, I got
##B_1= 1.5a(x+4y) + 1.5b(2x+y+1)## this ought to be equal to,
This looks wrong. I don't understand what you did here.
If you are trying to figure out alternative methods to simultaneous equations, why? IMHO, if you really understood simultaneous equations, you would not be looking for something else.
 
FactChecker said:
This looks wrong. I don't understand what you did here.
If you are trying to figure out alternative methods to simultaneous equations, why? IMHO, if you really understood simultaneous equations, you would not be looking for something else.
I think both simultaneous equations are correct...I will check and confirm later...I was thinking of a possibility of a much faster approach but I guess it doesn't matter. Cheers man.

Note;
I just amended a term in the second simultaneous equation.
Take note that in the second simultaneous equation, i was equating ##B##=##B## ...
 
chwala said:
I think both simultaneous equations are correct...I will check and confirm later...I was thinking of a possibility of a much faster approach but I guess it doesn't matter. Cheers man.

Note;
I just amended a term in the second simultaneous equation.
Take note that in the second simultaneous equation, i was equating ##B##=##B## ...
Note that ##\mathbf a## and ##\mathbf b## are vectors. Something like:

chwala said:
##2x+9b=-5b##
Cannot be right, as ##x## is a number.

The key to the problem is that two non-colinear vectors are linearly independent.
 
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PeroK said:
Note that ##\mathbf a## and ##\mathbf b## are vectors. Something like:Cannot be right, as ##x## is a number.

The key to the problem is that two non-colinear vectors are linearly independent.
Sorry a typo, let me amend it...the vectors are ##a## and ##b## ...##x## and ##y## are scalar quantities.
 
chwala said:
Sorry a typo, let me amend it...the vectors are ##a## and ##b## ...##x## and ##y## are scalar quantities.
Okay, I see what you've done now. Writing ##b## instead of ##\mathbf b## and then mistyping ##b## instead of ##y## and ##-5b## instead of ##-5## was too many errors for me to follow what you were doing.
 
PeroK said:
Okay, I see what you've done now. Writing ##b## instead of ##\mathbf b## and then mistyping ##b## instead of ##y## and ##-5b## instead of ##-5## was too many errors for me to follow what you were doing.
My silly me...Will try to go a bit slower in my typing...
 

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