Solve $(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=1$ Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation $(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=1$. Participants explore both real and complex solutions, examining different approaches and methods for finding these solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equation can be simplified using the logarithm, leading to the solutions $x = \{ 6, ~ 7 \}$ based on the condition $x^2 - 13x + 42 = 0$.
  • Another participant corrects the previous claim, stating that $x^2 - 7x + 11 = 1$ leads to additional solutions $x = \{ 2, ~ 5 \}$.
  • A participant raises the possibility of complex solutions, proposing that there may exist complex numbers $x$ such that $(x^2-7x + 11)^n = 1$ for some positive integer $n$.
  • Further exploration into complex solutions is presented, including a numerical approach to find solutions iteratively, with examples of complex solutions provided for various integer values of $k$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solutions to the equation, with some focusing on real solutions and others exploring complex solutions. There is no consensus on the completeness of the solution set.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the existence of multiple approaches to the problem, including the potential for complex solutions, but do not resolve the implications of these methods or the completeness of the solutions found.

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Solve the following equation:
$(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=1$
 
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[math](x^2 - 7x + 11)^(x^2 - 13x + 42) = 1[/math]
[math](x^2 - 13x + 42) ln(x^2 - 7x + 11) = 0[/math]

Thus
[math]x^2 - 13x + 42 = 0 \implies x = \{ 6, ~ 7 \}[/math]
[/sp]

-Dan
 
No
 
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Oh, of course. Too tired.
[math]ln(x^2 - 7x + 11) = 0 \implies x^2 - 7x + 11 = 1 \implies x = \{ 2, ~ 5 \}[/math]
as well.
[/sp]

-Dan
 
solakis said:
Solve the following equation:
$(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=1$
There are 3 cases
1) exponent is 0
this gives $x^2-13x + 42= 0$ giving x = 6 or 7
2) base is 1
$x^2-7x+11=1$ or $x^2-7x + 10 = 0$ giving x = 2 or 5
3) base is -1 and exponent is even
giving
$x^2 - 7x + 11= -1$ or $x^2-7x + 12 = 0$ giving x = 3 or 4
for both cases exponenent = x(x-13) + 42 even

combinng all 3 above
We get $ x \in \{ 2,3,4,5,6,7\}$
 
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kaliprasad said:
There are 3 cases
1) exponent is 0
this gives $x^2-13x + 42= 0$ giving x = 6 or 7
2) base is 1
$x^2-7x+11=1$ or $x^2-7x + 10 = 0$ giving x = 2 or 5
3) base is -1 and exponent is even
giving
$x^2 - 7x + 11= -1$ or $x^2-7x + 12 = 0$ giving x = 3 or 4
for both cases exponenent = x(x-13) + 42 even

combinng all 3 above
We get $ x \in \{ 2,3,4,5,6,7\}$

I wonder about existence of complex solutions. Can't it happen that x is a complex number such that $(x^2-7x + 11)^n = 1$ and $x^2-13x + 42= n$ where $n\in Z^+$? It appears there are other alternatives as well if we allow complex solutions.
 
solakis said:
Solve the following equation:
$(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=1$
Real solutions have already been given so I am focusing on complex solutions.
To find solutions in complex plane we can rewrite the equation as $(x^2-7x+11)^{x^2-13x+42}=\exp \left({2k\pi i}\right)$ where $k \in Z$.
Now, we can rearrange the terms to write
$$
x=\frac{\exp \left(\frac{2k \pi i}{x^2-13 x+42}\right)-11}{x-7}.
$$
This form gives us the opportunity to find the solution iteratively. We can start with any integer value of k and starting guess for x, e.g. $x=0$ and iteratively compute next approximation of x. For example here are some complex solutions found numerically:
kx
02
12.00793 - 0.105303 I
22.03253 - 0.214414 I
32.07647 - 0.333058 I
There is probably many solutions to the equation.
 

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