Solved: Titration Calc: Find KOH vol to Neutralize H2SO4

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The discussion revolves around a titration calculation involving the neutralization of sulfuric acid (H2SO4) with potassium hydroxide (KOH). Participants are analyzing the steps required to determine the volume of KOH needed to neutralize a specific volume of diluted H2SO4 solution, including the necessary stoichiometric relationships and calculations.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation involving 2.0g of H2SO4 diluted to 500 cm3 and attempts to find the volume of 0.1M KOH needed for neutralization.
  • Several participants point out issues with the initial calculations, particularly regarding the interpretation of molarity and the need for a balanced chemical equation.
  • There is a suggestion to start with the balanced equation for the reaction: 2 KOH + H2SO4 → K2SO4 + 2 H2O.
  • Some participants note that the stoichiometric ratio between H2SO4 and KOH is 2:1, indicating that twice the amount of KOH is needed compared to H2SO4.
  • One participant calculates the moles of H2SO4 in 25 cm3 of solution and suggests that this should be used to find the corresponding moles of KOH required.
  • Another participant challenges the initial mole calculation of H2SO4, asserting that 2 g does not equate to 1.02 moles, indicating a fundamental error in the calculations presented.
  • There are discussions about the correct conversion of grams to moles and the appropriate use of concentration in volume calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial calculations and the interpretation of the mole values. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem, as multiple viewpoints and corrections are presented without a clear resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations presented are based on incorrect assumptions about the mass of H2SO4 and its conversion to moles. There are unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of how to apply the balanced equation and stoichiometry in the context of the titration.

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Homework Statement


2.0g of pure undiluted HsSO4 is cautiously added to water and the solution diluted to 500 cm3. What volume of 0.1M potassium hydroxide, KOH, would exactly neutralise 25cm3 of the acid solution?

Homework Equations


concentration = number of moles/volume
mass in grams = number of moles*relative formula mass



The Attempt at a Solution



H2SO4
2.0g/500cm3
Divide by 20 to get values for 25cm3
0.1g/25cm3

Conversion of grams to M
mass in grams = number of moles*relative formula mass
0.1g = number of moles*98
0.1g/98 = number of moles = 1.02moles

We now have

1.02M/25cm3

Let us work out the concentration...

25/100 * 1.02 = 0.0255molar

Now let us work out the volume

Concentration = number of moles/volume
Concentration*volume = number of moles
volume = number of moles/concentration
volume = 1.02/0.0255
volume = 40cm3

Is this correct?
 
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After you calculate the moles of H2SO4, I think you have problems. 1.02M/25cm3 makes no sense with molarity over volume, but it should be 1.02 moles/25 cm3. You also don't use the molarity of the KOH.
Write a balanced equation first.

You should start this way, which has the moles you calculated.

[tex]25 cm^3 solution \left(\frac{1.02 mol H_2SO_4} {500 cm^3 solution}\right)[/tex]

You have moles of the acid, then multiply it by conversion factors using the balanced equation and the molarity of the base, and you will get the volume of the base.
 
Bohrok said:
After you calculate the moles of H2SO4, I think you have problems. 1.02M/25cm3 makes no sense with molarity over volume, but it should be 1.02 moles/25 cm3. You also don't use the molarity of the KOH.
Write a balanced equation first.

You should start this way, which has the moles you calculated.

[tex]25 cm^3 solution \left(\frac{1.02 mol H_2SO_4} {500 cm^3 solution}\right)[/tex]

You have moles of the acid, then multiply it by conversion factors using the balanced equation and the molarity of the base, and you will get the volume of the base.

Can you show me the complete process?
 
Write the balanced equation first. :smile:
 
bohrok said:
write the balanced equation first. :smile:

2koh + h2so4 --> k2so4 + 2h2o
 
It is a 2:1 ratio.
 
If H2SO4 is 1.02 then KOH is 2.04moles
 
volume = concentration/number of moles
volume = 0.1M/2.04 (KOH) * 1000
volume = 49?
 
So you know you need twice as much KOH as H2SO4 given from
[tex] 25 cm^3 solution \left(\frac{1.02 mol H_2SO_4} {500 cm^3 solution}\right)[/tex]

which gives you moles of KOH. The molarity of the base is 0.1M KOH or [tex]\frac {0.1 mol KOH} {1 L KOH}[/tex]. How can you use this fraction with your moles of KOH from above to give you the volume of KOH solution?

Edit: Looks like you don't need these steps. Read the next post.
 
  • #10
ajassat said:
If H2SO4 is 1.02 then KOH is 2.04moles

1.02 is the moles of H2SO4 in the 500 cm3 of acid solution, but you need to know how many moles are in 25 cm3 of solution since that is how much is being neutralized by the base. You need to calculate this from what I wrote above. That will give you the actual number of moles of acid you're working with in 25 cm3 that's being neutralized. Then the 2:1 ratio you said is correct and you should get the correct answer.
 
  • #11
0.051 moles in 25cm^3. Therefore 0.102 moles for KOH.

Revised volume calculation

V = 0.1/0.102
 
  • #12
Yes, that looks right.
 
  • #13
I need to multiply the answer by 1000 right?
 
  • #14
That would give you mL of solution, but the question didn't say in what units to give the volume. You should be okay with leaving it in L unless you're expected to use a certain unit when the question doesn't specify.
 
  • #16
ajassat said:
Conversion of grams to M
mass in grams = number of moles*relative formula mass
0.1g = number of moles*98
0.1g/98 = number of moles = 1.02moles

You do have a mistake here. 0.1/98 is .00102, so that is the actual number of moles of H2SO4. This is also wrong

ajassat said:
volume = concentration/number of moles

Concentration = moles/volume, so volume = moles/concentration

I hadn't checked your work thoroughly before, but I think these are all the mistakes you had.
 

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