Solvent effect in ambident nucleophiles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effect of solvent on the reaction mechanisms involving ambident nucleophiles, specifically in the context of SN1 and SN2 reactions. Participants explore how different solvents, particularly polar aprotic and polar protic solvents, influence the reactivity of nucleophiles and the formation of products.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in a polar aprotic solvent, the more electronegative atom of an ambident nucleophile is free to attack the substrate, potentially leading to an SN1 reaction due to the formation of a carbocation.
  • Another participant requests specific details about the nucleophile, substrate, solvent, and reaction conditions to facilitate the discussion.
  • A participant provides an example using CN- as the nucleophile, arguing that in a polar protic solvent, hydrogen bonding with nitrogen hinders its nucleophilicity, while in a polar aprotic solvent, nitrogen can act as a strong nucleophile promoting carbocation formation.
  • One participant notes the inherent uncertainty in organic chemistry, stating that while SN1 may produce the major product, this cannot be confirmed without experimental evidence. They emphasize that all possible reactions can occur, but the predominant product is determined by the conditions of the reaction.
  • Another participant reiterates that polar aprotic solvents are generally associated with SN2 reactions, but acknowledges that other mechanisms can still occur, albeit potentially in smaller amounts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the predominant reaction mechanism in the presence of ambident nucleophiles and polar aprotic solvents. There is no consensus on whether SN1 or SN2 is favored, and the discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty regarding the influence of solvent on reaction pathways.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific examples and reaction conditions, which may affect the applicability of the discussed theories. The discussion also highlights the complexity of reaction mechanisms and the role of various factors in determining the major product.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in organic chemistry, particularly those studying reaction mechanisms, solvent effects, and nucleophilicity in ambident nucleophiles may find this discussion relevant.

Titan97
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If nucleophile is ambident and solvent is polar aprotic, more electronegative atom is free to attack the substrate.
Since more electronegative atom is a hard base, it forms a stronger bond with hard acids like carbocation. This promotes formation of carbocation by substrate. Hence, SN1 reaction should take place

But, polar aprotic solvent favours SN2 reaction.

So which mechanism does the reaction follow?
 
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Can you give the exact nucleophile, substrate, solvent and reaction conditions involved? If it is a technical question, give an example. It would help in making the debate more easier to follow.
 
Example, if CN- was the nucleophile, N is more electronegative. If I used polar protic solvent, Hydrogen bonding will happen with N. So N is hindered and can't act as a good nucleophile.

If the solvent was aprotic, there is nothing to stop N.

Now, (in polar aprotic solvent) N is a hard base and it promotes formation of carbocation (hard base likes hard acids). Then N will attack the carbocation. If carbocation forms, the reaction is SN1. But polar aprotic solvents are generally used for sn2 right?
 
The thing with organic chemistry is this uncertainty. Here is what I know: Every possible reaction happens in every possible case.

What is necessary is which reaction gives the major product. In your case, SN1 may give the major product, but we cannot decide unless the experiment is already performed.

Titan97 said:
But polar aprotic solvents are generally used for sn2 right?

Yes they are. But that doesn't mean other reactions cannot occur. As I said, every possible reaction occurs, but the amount formed could be indeed very tiny. If you are familiar with chemical kinetics, you must know the collision theory of reactions. An organic reaction takes place because of collision between molecules. The molecules can be made to collide anyway possible. And because of the different factors involved (orientation, place of collision, KE of participants,etc), all possible products will form. The major product will be decided based on how majority of the collisions occur.
 

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