Solving a DE for a Leaking Tank's Height over Time

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The discussion focuses on solving a differential equation (DE) that models the height of water in a leaking cylindrical tank. The equation is given by dh/dt = -Ah/Aw * sqrt(2gh), where Aw and Ah represent the cross-sectional areas of the water and the hole, respectively. The initial height of the water is denoted as H, and the gravitational constant is set at g = 32 ft/s^2. The solution for part (a) leads to the expression h(t) = (-4t(Ah/Aw) + sqrt(H))^2. For part (b), substituting specific values results in the time to empty the tank being approximately 1821.47 seconds.

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Homework Statement



A tank in the form of a right-circular cylinder standing on end is leaking water through a circular hole in its bottom. When friction and contraction of water at the hole are ignored, the height h of the water in the tank is described by:

\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}

where Aw and Ah are the cross-sectional areas of the water and the hole, respectively.

a) Solve the DE if the inital height of the water is H. By hand, sketch the graph of h(t) and give its interval I of definition in terms of the symbols Aw. Ah, and H. Use g = 32 ft/s^2.

b) Suppose the tank is 10 feet high and has radius 2 feet and circular hole has radius 1/2 inch. If the tank is initially full, how long will it take to empty?

Homework Equations



\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to make sure I did this part right before attempting b) as it needs the answer for a).

a)

\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}

\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{64H}

\frac{dh}{\sqrt{64H}} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt

\int\frac{dh}{\sqrt{64H}} = -\int\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt

\frac{h}{\sqrt{64H}} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t
 
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KillerZ said:

Homework Statement



A tank in the form of a right-circular cylinder standing on end is leaking water through a circular hole in its bottom. When friction and contraction of water at the hole are ignored, the height h of the water in the tank is described by:

\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}

where Aw and Ah are the cross-sectional areas of the water and the hole, respectively.

a) Solve the DE if the inital height of the water is H. By hand, sketch the graph of h(t) and give its interval I of definition in terms of the symbols Aw. Ah, and H. Use g = 32 ft/s^2.

b) Suppose the tank is 10 feet high and has radius 2 feet and circular hole has radius 1/2 inch. If the tank is initially full, how long will it take to empty?

Homework Equations



\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to make sure I did this part right before attempting b) as it needs the answer for a).

a)

\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{2gh}
In the next line, don't put H in yet; leave it as h, the variable.
KillerZ said:
\frac{dh}{dt} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}\sqrt{64H}

I have changed what you had to the following. Can you carry it through?

\frac{dh}{8\sqrt{h}} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt

(1/8) \int h^{-1/2}dh = -\int\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt
 
how is this:

(1/8) \int h^{-1/2}dh = -\int\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt

(1/8) 2h^{1/2} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t

\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t
 
KillerZ said:
how is this:

(1/8) \int h^{-1/2}dh = -\int\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}dt
Don't forget the constant of integration in the next and following lines.
KillerZ said:
(1/8) 2h^{1/2} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t

\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t

This is fine, except for the missing constant, but why don't you go ahead and solve for h, instead of its square root? I.e., h(t) = ...
 
\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c

\sqrt{h} = -4\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + c

h - (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} = c

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + h - (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2}
 
KillerZ said:
\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c
Technically, the c in the next line is a different constant from the one in the previous line, but it's still a constant.
KillerZ said:
\sqrt{h} = -4\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c
You can't do what you've done in the next line. You squared the left side to get h; you have to square the entire right side as well.
KillerZ said:
h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + c

h - (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} = c

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + h - (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2}
 
\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c

\sqrt{h} = -4\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + 4c

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}} + 4c)^{2}

c = \sqrt{h} + t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + \sqrt{h} + t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}
 
KillerZ said:
\frac{\sqrt{h}}{4} = -\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + c

\sqrt{h} = -4\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}t + 4c

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}} + 4c)^{2}
Or just call it C instead of 4c.

Now, use your initial condition, that h(0) = H.
So, when t = 0, you have
h(0) = H = C^{2}
From this, you can easily get the constant.
KillerZ said:
c = \sqrt{h} + t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}})^{2} + \sqrt{h} + t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}}
This last step didn't do you much good, since you haven't really solved for h; it appears on both sides of your equation.
 
h(0) = H = C^{2}

c = \sqrt{H}

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}} + \sqrt{H})^{2}
 
  • #10
OK, you have done part of the a part of this problem. For the b part, replace the symbols Ah, Aw, and H with the given information in this part, and use your functions to find when the tank is empty; i.e., at the time t for which h(t) = 0.
 
  • #11
b)

h = (-4t\frac{A_{h}}{A_{w}} + \sqrt{H})^{2}

h = (-4t\frac{\pi (0.5/12)^{2}}{\pi 2^{2}} + \sqrt{10})^{2}

t = 1821.47 s
 
  • #12
I haven't checked your answer. You do a great job at formatting your work in LaTeX, but you could explain what you're doing a little better.

You're dealing with a function here, so it would be better to indicate that.
h(t) = (-4t\frac{\pi (0.5/12)^{2}}{\pi 2^{2}} + \sqrt{10})^{2}
This gives the height of water in the specified tank at time t.

To find when the tank is empty, you're solving h(t) = 0 for t.
h(t) = 0 \Rightarrow (-4t\frac{\pi (0.5/12)^{2}}{\pi 2^{2}} + \sqrt{10})^{2} = 0
from which you get t = whatever.
 
  • #13
I think this should do it:

h(t) = 0 = (-4t\frac{\pi (0.5/12)^{2}}{\pi 2^{2}} + \sqrt{10})^{2}

4t\frac{\pi (0.5/12)^{2}}{\pi 2^{2}} = \sqrt{10}

t(0.001736111) = \sqrt{10}

t = \sqrt{10}/(0.001736111)

t = 1821.47 s

thanks for the help.
 
  • #14
Sure, you're very welcome.
 

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