Solving a Disk Method Problem: What Info Needed?

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid using the disk method, with a focus on the necessary information and parameters required for the calculation. Participants explore the implications of the given equations and the axis of rotation, while also considering alternative methods such as the shell method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the information needed to use the disk method effectively, specifically mentioning the lack of a lower function and limits.
  • Another participant inquires about the axis of rotation, suggesting its importance in determining the volume.
  • A different participant presents a mathematical derivation using the disk method, proposing a formula for the volume of a solid of revolution based on a line in two-intercept form.
  • This participant also provides a detailed calculation of the volume using integration, showing the relationship between the radius and height of the cone formed by the solid of revolution.
  • Subsequently, another participant introduces the shell method as a means to verify the volume calculation, presenting an alternative approach and arriving at the same volume result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial question regarding the necessary information for the disk method, as the first participant's uncertainty remains unaddressed. However, there is agreement on the volume formula derived through both the disk and shell methods, as both approaches yield the same result.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the axis of rotation and the specific equations provided, which may limit the applicability of the methods discussed. There is also an implicit assumption about the conditions under which the disk and shell methods can be applied.

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So I am trying to find the volume of a solid with this information given to me:

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š‘¦=0
š‘¦=āˆ’2š‘„+2

However, when I go to enter this information into a disk method calculator, I don't have enough information to enter into the calculator, such as the lower function and limits.

My question is: what information would I use to find the volume using the disk method?

Thank you.
 
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What is the axis of rotation?
 
Let's consider the line given by:

$$\frac{x}{h}+\frac{y}{r}=1$$ where $$0<h,r$$

Observing that this is the two-intercept form of a line, we should recognize that the graph of the line (in the first quadrant) will be as follows:

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Now, if we take the $x$-axis as the axis of rotation, we should see that the solid of revolution will be a cone of radius $r$ and height $h$, and thus the volume $V$ of the solid of revolution will be (using the formula for the volume of a cone):

$$V=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h$$

So, we know what our goal is. Now, if we are going to use the disk method, then we can look at an element of the volume, which is naturally, a disk (actually a cylinder with height $H=dx$):

$$dV=\pi R^2H$$

Now, as mentioned, we have $H=dx$ and we observe that $R=y$, but we want $R$ in terms of $x$, hence we solve the equation of the line for $y$ to get $y$ as a function of $x$:

$$y=\frac{r}{h}(h-x)$$

And so we may now state:

$$dV=\pi\left(\frac{r}{h}(h-x)\right)^2\,dx=\frac{\pi r^2}{h^2}(x-h)^2\,dx$$

Hence:

$$V=\frac{\pi r^2}{h^2}\int_0^h(x-h)^2\,dx$$

Let:

$$u=x-h\implies du=dx$$

And we have:

$$V=\frac{\pi r^2}{h^2}\int_{-h}^0 u^2\,du=\frac{\pi r^2}{h^2}\cdot\frac{h^3}{3}=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h$$
 

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Now, suppose we wish to check our work using the shell method...

$$2V=2\pi RH\,dy=2\pi yx\,dy=2\pi y\cdot\frac{h}{r}(r-y)\,dy=\frac{2\pi h}{r}y(r-y)\,dy$$

Hence:

$$V=\frac{2\pi h}{r}\int_0^r y(r-y)\,dy=\frac{2\pi h}{r}\left[\frac{r}{2}y^2-\frac{1}{3}y^3\right]_0^r=\frac{\pi h}{3r}\left[3ry^2-2y^3\right]_0^r=\frac{\pi h}{3r}\left(3r^3-2r^3\right)=\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h\quad\checkmark$$
 

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