Solving a Displacement Problem with a Spring Force of 50 N/m

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a block attached to a spring with a spring constant of 50 N/m, subjected to an applied force of 3 N. The participants explore the block's displacement as it stretches the spring and eventually comes to a stop.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the applied force and the spring force, questioning the assumptions made regarding the block's motion and the effects of inertia. Some suggest using energy principles to find the displacement instead of focusing solely on forces.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the use of energy equations. Some participants express understanding and propose alternative strategies, while others continue to question the initial reasoning and assumptions.

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Participants note the potential complexity introduced by inertia and oscillation, indicating a preference for energy-based approaches to simplify the analysis.

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Okay so we have a block attached to a spring with a spring constant of 50 N/m. The spring is in the relaxed state.
We apply a force 3N along the positive x direction. The block moves along the x axis,stretching the spring until the block finally stops.
What is the block's displacement?

When the block is stopped the force of the spring on the block should be -3 Newtons. Using the formula F=-kx
I get the answer 3/50=0.06m. The book's answer is 0.12m.
What exactly am I doing wrong?
 
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I'm not exactly sure since you haven't shown your work.

However I suspect the problem has to do with the fact that when the block gets to the position at which the applied force is canceled by the force exerted by the spring, at this position the block is moving and continues to move due to its inertia.
 
Xarvist said:
Okay so we have a block attached to a spring with a spring constant of 50 N/m. The spring is in the relaxed state.
We apply a force 3N along the positive x direction. The block moves along the x axis,stretching the spring until the block finally stops.
What is the block's displacement?

When the block is stopped the force of the spring on the block should be -3 Newtons. Using the formula F=-kx
I get the answer 3/50=0.06m. The book's answer is 0.12m.
What exactly am I doing wrong?

Your force will accelerate the block, until it has stretched the spring 6 cm. At that time the mass will be moving, and will take some time to stop.

Imagine the x direction was down, and you had a mass of weight 3N attached to the spring then dropped. It will continue past the point where the spring pulls with 3N. It will eventually stop and rebound and you are basically asked where will it eventually stop.
 
Oh, okay I understand now thanks!

I actually found a way right before checking this post, using the energy equations.
W = Fx
E = -.5kx^2
Fx = -.5kx^2
F = .5kx
x = -2F/k
x = -2*-3N/50 = .12m

So if I want the final state of a spring but I don't want to do calculations involving inertia and oscillation, I should just use energy principles then?
 
Xarvist said:
Oh, okay I understand now thanks!

I actually found a way right before checking this post, using the energy equations.
W = Fx
E = -.5kx^2
Fx = -.5kx^2
F = .5kx
x = -2F/k
x = -2*-3N/50 = .12m

So if I want the final state of a spring but I don't want to do calculations involving inertia and oscillation, I should just use energy principles then?

I thought of giving a work done vs Energy stored in the spring option but was not sure if you had done that topic. Clearly you had, and that is the easiest way to solve.
 

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