Solving a first order differential

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation of the form y' + y = 5sin(2t). Participants are exploring various methods to find the solution, including the use of integrating factors and integration by parts.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use an integrating factor and integration by parts but encounters discrepancies in coefficients. Some participants question the correctness of the integration steps and suggest alternative methods, including educated guessing based on the form of the solution.

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There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants providing guidance on integration techniques and alternative approaches. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, but there is no explicit consensus on the method or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express frustration over the integration process and the accuracy of their results, indicating a lack of clarity on the integration by parts method and its application in this context.

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I have the following problem that i can't get the right answer to:
y'+y=5sin(2t)

I find the integrating factor u(t)=e^t
multiply the whole function u(t)
and i get (ye^t)'=5e^tsin(2t)

I do integration by parts on the second part and get
1/9 for the coefficents, in the calculator they don't get those coefficents! :(
very frustrating, not sure why.
 
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Ans: Y = Sin2t - Cos2t + c
 
yeah they get that answer, mind showing me how you did it? I've been at it for an hour.. all help is greatly appreciated.
 
That is not the answer. Proceeding from your last step, integration of both sides yields: y*e^t= -e^t (2cos(2t)-sin(2t))+C. Where the right hand side, RHS, was found using integration by parts. Next, dividing both sides by e^t, gives: y= -(2cos(2t)-sin(2t))+Ce^(-t) or y=sin(2t)-2cos(2t)+Ce^(-t). C can be found given some intial condtion y(t_0)=y_0.
 
yeah, i just need someone to show me the integration by parts, i am unable to get that solution. I know how to solve the first order d.e.:frown:
 
Why even bother integrating by parts? It will work.. but- why not try an educated guess:

This kind of differential equation will have a solution of Y= (K1)Sin (2X) + (K2)Cos(2X).

simply differentiate Y, add Y and Y Prime, and equate the unknown constants.
 
You apply integration by parts to the RHS, twice. To begin let I=RHS. Then apply integration by parts twice. After the second integration by parts you will end up with another integral, after dividing out the necessary constants, you can make this integral look exactly like I. Stop. Then solve it as though it is a linear equation in I, for I. You are exploiting the cyclic nature of the cosine and sine derivatives.
 

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