Solving a Kinematics Problem: Throwing a Ball to Clear a Peaked Roof

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the initial speed required for a ball to be thrown from a height below a peaked roof so that it just clears the peak and lands on the other side at the same height. The subject area is kinematics, with considerations of projectile motion and energy principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using energy principles versus kinematic equations to solve the problem. There are attempts to relate vertical and horizontal speeds, and questions arise about the assumptions made regarding initial speeds and heights.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between vertical and horizontal motion, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions about initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of an answer key that provides a different expected result, which has led to further exploration of the problem. Participants are also addressing formatting issues in their expressions, indicating a focus on clear communication of mathematical ideas.

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Homework Statement


A peaked roof is symmetrical and subtends a right angle, as shown. Standing at a height of distance h below the peak, with what initial speed must a ball be thrown so that it just clears the peak and hits the other side of the roof at the same height?

Diagram: http://imgur.com/bi1efMm

Homework Equations


x=vcos(\theta)t
y=vsin(\theta)t-\frac{1}{2}gt^2
\frac{1}{2}mv^2=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


This is supposed to be a kinematics problem, but I wasn't too sure how to do it that way so I used energy principles. Using the above equation, I got that the velocity should be \sqrt{2gh} by simply rearranging the variables, however, the answer key says that it's \sqrt{5/2gh}.
 
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Nishikino Maki said:
... I used energy principles. Using the above equation, I got that the velocity should be \sqrt{2gh} ...
That equation you used is wrong. It assumes the speed is zero when the height is h.

Give it another shot, then explain your thinking.
 
Does it have something to do with how the vertical speed is 0 but it is still moving horizontally? In that case the vertical speed at the bottom would be \sqrt(2gh), and the horizontal would be (by working backwards from the answer) \sqrt(1/2gh).
 
Nishikino Maki said:
the vertical speed is 0 but it is still moving horizontally?
Yes.
Nishikino Maki said:
and the horizontal would be (by working backwards from the answer) ##\sqrt{\frac 1{2gh}}##.
That would have dimension 1/speed, so cannot be right.
Knowing the vertical launch speed, how long does it take to reach the top? How far has it moved horizontally in that time?
 
Sorry for bad formatting, I meant \sqrt(1/2) * \sqrt(gh).

I decided to do the problem a different way, I used the formula for max height and max range, set max height to half of max range, and solved for the angle. From there I was able to get the max height, which indeed was \sqrt(5/2)\sqrt(gh). Thanks for your help.
 

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