Solving a Kinematics Problem: Throwing a Ball to Clear a Peaked Roof

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To determine the initial speed required for a ball to clear a peaked roof, the problem involves kinematic equations and energy principles. The initial calculation of velocity as \(\sqrt{2gh}\) was incorrect because it assumed zero speed at height h. The correct approach involves recognizing that the vertical speed at the peak is zero while horizontal motion continues. By applying the formula for maximum height and range, the correct initial speed is found to be \(\sqrt{5/2gh}\). This solution highlights the importance of considering both vertical and horizontal components in projectile motion.
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Homework Statement


A peaked roof is symmetrical and subtends a right angle, as shown. Standing at a height of distance h below the peak, with what initial speed must a ball be thrown so that it just clears the peak and hits the other side of the roof at the same height?

Diagram: http://imgur.com/bi1efMm

Homework Equations


x=vcos(\theta)t
y=vsin(\theta)t-\frac{1}{2}gt^2
\frac{1}{2}mv^2=mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


This is supposed to be a kinematics problem, but I wasn't too sure how to do it that way so I used energy principles. Using the above equation, I got that the velocity should be \sqrt{2gh} by simply rearranging the variables, however, the answer key says that it's \sqrt{5/2gh}.
 
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Nishikino Maki said:
... I used energy principles. Using the above equation, I got that the velocity should be \sqrt{2gh} ...
That equation you used is wrong. It assumes the speed is zero when the height is h.

Give it another shot, then explain your thinking.
 
Does it have something to do with how the vertical speed is 0 but it is still moving horizontally? In that case the vertical speed at the bottom would be \sqrt(2gh), and the horizontal would be (by working backwards from the answer) \sqrt(1/2gh).
 
Nishikino Maki said:
the vertical speed is 0 but it is still moving horizontally?
Yes.
Nishikino Maki said:
and the horizontal would be (by working backwards from the answer) ##\sqrt{\frac 1{2gh}}##.
That would have dimension 1/speed, so cannot be right.
Knowing the vertical launch speed, how long does it take to reach the top? How far has it moved horizontally in that time?
 
Sorry for bad formatting, I meant \sqrt(1/2) * \sqrt(gh).

I decided to do the problem a different way, I used the formula for max height and max range, set max height to half of max range, and solved for the angle. From there I was able to get the max height, which indeed was \sqrt(5/2)\sqrt(gh). Thanks for your help.
 
Kindly see the attached pdf. My attempt to solve it, is in it. I'm wondering if my solution is right. My idea is this: At any point of time, the ball may be assumed to be at an incline which is at an angle of θ(kindly see both the pics in the pdf file). The value of θ will continuously change and so will the value of friction. I'm not able to figure out, why my solution is wrong, if it is wrong .
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