Solving a Puzzling Motor-Wheel Problem

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The discussion revolves around a motor-wheel problem involving a pole that is initially vertical and at rest. When the motor is activated, it supplies torque to the axle, and participants are exploring the resulting motion of the pole and wheel system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the relationship between the torque exerted by the motor and the resulting motion of the pole and wheel. Questions are raised about the direction of motion and the effects of the wheel's rotation on the pole's position.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations and reasoning about the motion of the pole and wheel. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between torque and motion, but there is no explicit consensus on the outcomes or interpretations presented.

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Participants are considering the effects of the moment of inertia of both the wheel and the pole, as well as the implications of different lengths and masses in their calculations. There is uncertainty about the conditions under which the wheel would turn versus the motor spinning about the axle.

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Homework Statement


A motor with wheel is attached to the end of a pole. The device is initially vertical and at rest when the motor is switch on and supplies torque τ to the axle. As the wheel begins to roll clockwise, does the top of the pole moves to the left or to the right?

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I am confused by this problem, because as the motor exert the torque to the wheel, doesn't the wheel exert the same torque to the motor? So if I take off the wheel and look at only the free body diagram of the rod&motor, then torque acting on it would be counter-clockwise, so the rod would move to the left. But the wheel is turning clockwise, so it should be moving to the right also (?).

How should I consider the problem?

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The motor is attached to the pole. So shouldn't the pole reflect the rotational motion of the motor in producing the torque. (That action/reaction thing?)
 
So the pole will fall to the left with respect to the axle, while the axle will be translating to the right?
 
That's what it looks like to me.
 
To calculate the translation acceleration at the axle, I would related the clockwise τ to α by

α = τ/I ... (1)

Then if the wheel rolls without slipping, then a = r α. In (1), what I should I be using? Is it just the moment of inertia of the wheel? Does the mass of the pole have an effect? I am thinking that since τ is given, whatever effect the mass has must be taken care of by τ, so I would be that of the wheel only.

atransx = r τ/I = 2 τ/mr

Then I use the counterclockwise τ to get the acceleration at the top of the rod by using the moment of inertial of the rod.

atangx = -r τ/I = - 3τ/m(2d) = -1.5τ/md ... (3)

Summing them up:

atopx = ( 2/r - 1.5/d ) τ/m ... (4)

This means that whether the rod fall to the left or the right depends on r and d. In particular when:

(2d - 1.5r)/(rd) > 0
d > 0.75 r

The top of the rod would be moving forward. According to the drawing, since d is longer than r (not to mention 2 times d, which is the length of the rod), the rod will be moving to the right (while falling counter-clockwise).

Is this interpretation correct?

But now I have another question:

Suppose the rod is shorter than r, how do I know that the wheel would turn at all? How do I know that the motor is not just spinning itself about the axle, while the wheel does not move?
 

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