Solving a Railway Power Problem: 87.1 kW

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The problem involves calculating the power required by a motor for a cable railway system in Austria, considering the forces acting on the cars as they travel along a 5.6 km incline at a 30° angle. The scenario includes both loaded and empty cars, raising questions about the relevant forces and the calculations involved.

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the cars, particularly the weight and how it relates to the power calculation. There are questions about the method used to determine the total force and the application of trigonometric functions in the calculations.

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Several participants are engaging with the original poster's calculations, questioning the assumptions made regarding the forces and the direction of work. There is an exploration of different scenarios, such as the impact of friction and the implications of having all cars empty.

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Participants note that friction is neglected in the problem, and there are discussions about the implications of this assumption on the calculations. The original poster's approach to calculating work and power is being scrutinized for accuracy and relevance to the problem's context.

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Homework Statement



A cable railway in Austria has a length of 5.6 km. The cars on the cable need 60 minutes for a whole trip along the cable. Assume that 12 cars with a payload of 550 kg are traveling upwards, and 12 empty cars are traveling downwards. The angle between the cable and the ground in 30°. What is the power generated by the motor operating the railway?
Hint: Against which outer forces does the motor have to bring the power, so that the cars start moving?

Homework Equations



P=W/t

W= F*d

The Attempt at a Solution



Can someone please tell me if the following method I used is correct?Assuming the mass of an empty car is "m", the mass of the cars going upwards will be (550 + m)

The only relevant force acting on the cars is the weight.

For the upwards traveling cars: (where Fc means the vector component on the cable)

Fc = -(550 + m)*g*cos30*12

For the downwards traveling cars:

Fc = m*g*cos30*12

After adding the two the total force would be: F= -550*g*cos30*12

Then calculating the work: W = -550*g*cos30*5,600

The power would be: P= (-550*g*cos30*5,600)/3,600 = 87,133 W = 87.1 kW
 
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Working from the hint given, what force does the motor act against, and then, applying the formula for work you have given, over what distance?
 
Also, since friction appears to be neglected in this problem, if ALL the cars were empty - up and down - how much power would the motor need to start the cable moving?
 
I included in my calculations that the primary force being acted against is the weight of the cable cars, over the distance of the entire cable which is 5.6 km, with a time of 60 minutes.
 
If F and s are in the same direction, why would this line;

After adding the two the total force would be: F= -550*g*cos30*12

...show a negative value for 550?
Also, if the force (of the cart going upward) acts against gravity, why would you apply a factor of cos30 in this equation?


This line;

Then calculating the work: W = -550*g*cos30*5,600

...will return a result for work done in the horizontal direction. The work being done which is of interest in this problem appears to be the vertical component.
 
I hope that is some sort of help. Best of luck :smile:
 

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