Solving a Tricky Substitution with d^2x/dt^2

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This discussion focuses on the mathematical substitution of the second derivative of a function with respect to time, specifically d²x/dt², using the variable substitution θ = (Ω*t)/2. The user applies the chain rule to derive the relationship d²/dt² = (Ω/2)² * d²/dθ², leading to the conclusion that d²x/dt² = (Ω²/4) * d²x/dθ². The conversation emphasizes the correctness of interpreting the product of derivatives and the application of the chain rule in this context.

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Hi,

Firstly: This is not a homework Q. Check my previous posts, you will see the stuff i ask is for my own genuine learning.

Let:
\vartheta = (\Omega*t)/2

Now I have: d^2x/dt^2

And I want to sub in for t.

So:

d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
(Basic chain rule)

I can work out that: d\vartheta/dt = \Omega/2

So:

d/dt = \Omega/2 * d/d\vartheta

Now for the second derivative:

d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta * (d/dt)

Now, I already have an expression for d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta

So I can sub this in and get:

d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta * d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
Which is:
(correct me if I am wrong):
d^2/dt^2 = d\vartheta^2/dt^2 * d^2/d\vartheta^2

This is where I need the help of the experts :-)

The text I am trying to understand gives this:
d^2x/dt^2 = \Omega^2 / 4 * d^2x/d\vartheta^2

Any ideas how they have made that step... it seems like they have simply said:
d\vartheta/dt * d\vartheta/dt = (d\vartheta/dt)^2
Is this acceptable?
If \Omega = 2\pi*(1/t). Then its like saying:
d^2/dt^2 ((\Omega*t)/2) = \Omega^2 / 4 Any ideas/help?

thanks
 
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hi strokebow! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
strokebow said:
Let:
\vartheta = (\Omega*t)/2

d/dt = d\vartheta/dt * d/d\vartheta
(Basic chain rule)

The text I am trying to understand gives this:
d2x/dt2 = \Omega^2 / 4 * d^2x/d\vartheta^2

i don't really understand your equations :redface:

the way they got that is

d2x/dt2

= d/dt (dx/dt)

= {d/dθ (dx/dt)} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2 :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2 :wink:

Hi,

Thanks you for your reply! :-)

The inbetweener steps would be . . . (?)

= {d/dθ (dθ/dt dx/dθ))} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ dx/dθ (dθ/dt )} dθ/dt

= {d/dθ dx/dθ (Ω/2)} Ω/2

= {d2x/(dθ)2 (Ω/2)} Ω/2

= {(Ω/2 d2x/dθ2)} Ω/2

yar?
 
yes.
 

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