Contradiction in formula for motional EMF

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masteralien
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There seems to be a contradiction in the sign of the motional EMF for a spinning disk depending in the formula used
The formula for motional EMF is
$$\oint({\bf{v}}\times{\bf{B}})d{\bf{l}}=-\frac{d}{dt}\int{{\bf{B}}\cdot{\bf{\hat{n}}}da}$$However applying this for a rotating disk of radius a there seems to be a sign contradiction
$${\bf{v}}\times{\bf{B}}=\omega s{\bf{\hat{\varphi}}}\times B{\bf{\hat{z}}}=B\omega s {\bf{\hat{s}}}$$

$$\int^{a}_0{B\omega s}ds=\frac{1}{2}B\omega a^2$$Now doing it with the Double Integral by moving the derivative inside
$$
-\frac{d}{dt}\int^{2\pi}_0\int^{a}_0{Bsdsd\varphi}$$

$$\\\frac{d\varphi}{dt}=\omega$$

$$\\-\int^{a}_0{B\omega sds}=-\frac{1}{2}B\omega a^2$$

These expressions are similar but have the opposite sign why is this.

My question is why is there this contradiction here did I do something wrong like these formulas should be the same.
 
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I take your OP illustrated in https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_17.html as 

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Where is the area a or da of your RHS in this figure ?
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
I take your OP illustrated in https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_17.html as 

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Where is the area a or da of your RHS in this figure ?
Ur right if the disk rotates counterclockwise da should be negative as the curve which goes around the Area should have a downward orientation should have caught that.
 

1. Why does the formula for motional EMF involve a negative sign?

The negative sign in the formula for motional EMF accounts for the direction of the induced current. It follows Lenz's Law, which states that the induced current will always flow in a direction that opposes the change in magnetic flux that caused it.

2. How does the velocity of the conductor affect the magnitude of the motional EMF?

The magnitude of the motional EMF is directly proportional to the velocity of the conductor. This means that the faster the conductor moves through a magnetic field, the greater the induced EMF will be.

3. Can the motional EMF be zero even if the conductor is moving through a magnetic field?

Yes, the motional EMF can be zero if the conductor is moving parallel to the magnetic field lines. In this case, there is no change in magnetic flux, so no EMF is induced.

4. How does the length of the conductor affect the motional EMF?

The length of the conductor does not directly affect the motional EMF. The key factors that influence the magnitude of the induced EMF are the strength of the magnetic field, the velocity of the conductor, and the angle between the velocity and the magnetic field lines.

5. What are some real-world applications of motional EMF?

Motional EMF is commonly used in devices such as generators, transformers, and electric motors. It plays a crucial role in converting mechanical energy into electrical energy and vice versa, making it essential in various industries and technologies.

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