Solving a Vector Triangle Differential Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to a vector triangle on a circular path, specifically involving the angle theta from the x-axis. The equation incorporates terms that depend on the small parameter k, which is suggested to be approximated in the analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to solve a quadratic equation derived from the original differential equation. There is a focus on the implications of the small parameter k and how it affects the terms retained in the approximation. Questions arise regarding the applicability of the quadratic formula due to the presence of a sine term multiplied by the derivative of theta.

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Participants are actively exploring the implications of approximations and the structure of the equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the quadratic solution and the handling of terms involving the small parameter k, but there is no explicit consensus on the method of solution yet.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on maintaining terms up to order k² in the approximations, and the discussion reflects uncertainty about the impact of the sine term on the application of the quadratic formula.

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Relevant Equations
Cosine rule,
Speed vector equation
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By considering a vector triangle at any point on its circular path, at angle theta from the x -axis,

We can obtain that:
(rw)^2 + (kV)^2 - 2(rw)(kV)cos(90 + theta) = V^2

This can be rearranged to get:
(r thetadot)^2 + (kV)^2 + 2 (r* thetadot)(kV)sin theta = V^2.

I know that I must somehow solve this differential equation in theta, and integrate from theta = 0 to theta = 2pi.

How do I solve this equation?

Thank you!
 
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phantomvommand said:
How do I solve this equation?
You are told k is very small, so you need to make an approximation.
And you know the extra is of order k2, so you know which terms to keep.
I would start by solving the quadratic.
 
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haruspex said:
You are told k is very small, so you need to make an approximation.
And you know the extra is of order k2, so you know which terms to keep.
I would start by solving the quadratic.
Thank you! I was thinking that the quadratic equation formula couldn’t be applied to solve for thetadot because there is a sintheta*thetadot term. This doesn’t pose a problem I suppose?
 
phantomvommand said:
Thank you! I was thinking that the quadratic equation formula couldn’t be applied to solve for thetadot because there is a sintheta*thetadot term. This doesn’t pose a problem I suppose?
You can solve the quadratic for ##\dot\theta##, creating a trig term inside a square root. But then you can use the small k approximation to get rid of the square root. You may need to use it again. Just make sure to keep terms up to k2.
 
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