Solving an Archimedes Problem: Air Question Explained

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The discussion revolves around applying Archimedes' principle to a problem involving a helium-filled balloon. The original poster expresses confusion about how to approach the problem, particularly in the context of buoyancy in air compared to water.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss drawing a free body diagram (FBD) to analyze forces acting on the balloon, including lift force and buoyancy. There are questions about how to account for the mass of helium and the weight of the balloon itself in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculation process, suggesting that the buoyancy force should be calculated first, followed by subtracting the weight of the balloon and helium. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the calculations, with some participants arriving at different results.

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The original poster is preparing for an exam and is under time constraints, which may influence the urgency of their questions and the clarity of their understanding.

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I can't really understand Archimedes principle..I mean i know how it works in water but i am totally clueless when it comes to air question.Here is a question:

A balloon having a mass of 120 kg and volume of 400mcube is filled with helium gas of density 0.18kg m to the power of -3.The density of the surrounding air is 1.28kg m to the power of -3.What is the maximum load that can be lifted up by the balloon?Answer:320kg

How do you solve this question?Also can someone please tell me how to count air question..My exam is a few days away:confused:
 
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dude draw the FBD of the balloon the lift force is pgv where p is density of air,g is 9.81 and v is volume of air displaced or u can say volume of balloon. i think u can find the ans from there right?
 
I keep getting 392kg whereas the answer is 320kg.I have been spending an hour here
 
Don't forget to consider the mass of the helium itself.
 
so basically,you count the buoyancy force first and then later subtract the weight of the balloon and helium gas?
 
hmm...i got exactly 320kg maybe calculation error?
 
kindaichi said:
so basically,you count the buoyancy force first and then later subtract the weight of the balloon and helium gas?
Right. Whatever is left over is the additional load that can be lifted.
 
oh,i see then..thank you everyone.Everyone have been a great help
Just,one last question.The force acting downwards is the buoyancy force right?
 

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