Solving Beat Frequency Woes: Physics Exam Prep

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to beat frequency, specifically involving a violin string and a pitch pipe with a known frequency. The original poster is attempting to determine the original frequency of the violin string based on the observed beat frequency when played alongside the pitch pipe.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster calculates the beat frequency and derives two possible frequencies for the violin string. They express uncertainty about how to determine which of the two frequencies is the original frequency. Participants discuss the implications of tightening the string and its effect on the pitch and beat frequency.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between tightening the string and the resulting beat frequency. There is an exploration of the reasoning behind the original poster's calculations and the assumptions made regarding the pitch changes. The discussion is ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a time constraint due to an upcoming exam, which may influence their approach to the problem. There is also a note about the relevance of musicians' understanding of beat frequencies in practical tuning scenarios.

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So I'm studying for my Physics exam tommorow and the damned Sound unit seems to always give me problems. Anyway I'm doing a review question relating to Beat Frequency and I just can't seem to figure out what to do. Here is the question and my sad attempt at it.

When a violin string is sounded together with a pitch pipe having a frequency of 256 Hz, 21 beats are heard in 3.00s. If the string is tightend, the beat frequency increases (not sure why this sentence is here or it's purpose). What is the original frequency of the violin string?

Well the first thing I did was calculate the Beat Frequency using the formula:

Beat Frequency = # of beats / time
Fb = 21 / 3s
Fb = 7Hz

I then proceeded to frequency of the violin string by doing this:

Frequency of violin = Frequency of pitch pipe +/- Fb
Fv = 256 Hz +/- 7Hz
Fv = 263 Hz or 249 Hz

To my knowledge those are the possible frequencies of the violin, but it's asking for the original frequency and I have no clue what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
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The sentence you noted provides what you need to select between the two possible values of Fv.

If you tighten the violin string, its pitch goes up. If the beat frequency increases, then it's becoming more out of tune. If you tighten the string and it becomes more out of tune, then it was producing too high a pitch to begin with.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
If you tighten the violin string, its pitch goes up. If the beat frequency increases, then it's becoming more out of tune. If you tighten the string and it becomes more out of tune, then it was producing too high a pitch to begin with.

- Warren

Good intuitive reasoning! I wonder did you play an instrument?
I play the guitar and mandolin and use this very relationship when tuning a string relative to a fork or to another string. I don't know many musicians who make use of this beating phenomena.
 
I don't know many musicians who make use of this beating phenomena.

They do! :)
 
Tide said:
They do! :)
LOL... They should, its not that hard.. Unfortunately many musicians rely either directly on their ear or use an electronic tuner. Of course to someone who understands physics, using frequency beating is obvious :smile:
 
I do play a couple of instruments. Every musician I've ever known has has an intuitive grasp of beat frequencies -- if you adjust your instrument and the beats get faster, you're getting more out of tune. To be in tune, you adjust the instrument until the period of beats is "infinite," or, at least, so long that it's no longer noticeable.

- Warren
 

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