Solving Complex Equations: Understanding Conjugates and Imaginary Solutions

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The discussion revolves around solving complex equations, specifically focusing on the use of conjugates and imaginary solutions. Participants explore the methods for finding solutions to quadratic and cubic equations involving complex numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a quadratic equation, z^2 + 2z^* + 1 = 0, and notes that they found one solution (-1) but are confused about the other solutions (1+2i and 1-2i).
  • Another participant suggests substituting z = a + ib into the equation to derive a system of equations for a and b.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about how to derive the values for a and b from the equations, with one participant asking for clarification on the separation of real and imaginary parts.
  • One participant confirms that separating real and imaginary parts involves equating the real components and the imaginary components to zero, which is a fundamental aspect of complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of separating real and imaginary parts but express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of this method to solve the equations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of instruction on the topic from their lecturer, which may contribute to their confusion regarding the separation of parts and the overall solution process.

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First problem
z^2+2z+1=0
where the z in 2z is the conjugate (has a little line ontop)
I just ignored the conjugate because I wasn't sure how to solve it, and I got -1 which is one of the solutions but there's also 1+2i and 1-2i which I understand because they're both conjugate of each other but I don't understand how they got it.
Second problem
z^3-3z^2+4z-12=0 given 2i is a solution... I don't even understand what they mean.
Please help!
 
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tizzful said:
First problem
z^2+2z+1=0
where the z in 2z is the conjugate (has a little line ontop)
I just ignored the conjugate because I wasn't sure how to solve it, and I got -1 which is one of the solutions but there's also 1+2i and 1-2i which I understand because they're both conjugate of each other but I don't understand how they got it.
Second problem
z^3-3z^2+4z-12=0 given 2i is a solution... I don't even understand what they mean.
Please help!

As I see your problem is
z^{2} + 2 z^{*} + 1 = 0

if you will search solution in following form z = a + i b, a, b are both real numbers and insert it to your main equation then you will have system of two simple algebraic equations under a, b and you'll find a = 1, b = \pm 2. Solve your second problem in the same way and get the answer.
 
I get that z=a+ib but how did you get values for a and b? I feel really stupid asking this but I don't see it. I tried solving it and then making b=0 and a=0 and I'm not getting 1 and 2 as values...
 
tizzful said:
I get that z=a+ib but how did you get values for a and b? I feel really stupid asking this but I don't see it. I tried solving it and then making b=0 and a=0 and I'm not getting 1 and 2 as values...

What are your equations for a and b?
 
Do the algebra. If z= a+ ib, then \overline{z}= a- ib so z^2+ 2\overline{z}+ 1= (a+ ib)^2+ 2(a- ib)+ 1= 0. Separate the real and imaginary parts and you have two equations for a and b.
 
Yeah I got that far but I'm not sure how to separate real and imaginary parts. Is it literally just placing all the real parts and making them equal to 0 and all the imaginary parts and make them equal to 0? Sorry our lecturer didn't go through this and so I'm just left lost. :shy:
Thank you
 
Yes, it literally is! If a+ bi= c+ di, then a= c and b= d. That's part of the definition of "complex number".
 

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