Solving Derivatives with the Chain Rule

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus, specifically in the context of finding derivatives. The original poster presents a problem involving the function c(t) = 16t / (10t + 20)^2 and expresses confusion regarding the correct application of the derivative rules.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the quotient rule for derivatives, questioning the necessity of the denominator in the derivative calculation. There is also a discussion about the implications of the function's positivity on the derivative and maximum values.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the function's structure and the application of the derivative rules. The original poster has acknowledged the insights but continues to explore the implications of different function forms on the exercise.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions challenges in translating the problem from German to English, which may affect the clarity of the problem statement. There is also a consideration of the conditions under which the denominator might change sign, impacting the overall analysis.

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Homework Statement
Denote c (t) the concentration of an active ingredient in the blood t hours after the injection
and c (t) = 16t applies
(10t + 20)^2. Find the maximum concentration and timing of the
occurrence.
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Hello! Now this is not really a physics problem of the usual kind but I'd say you could consider it one.Still I'd like to post my problem here because here I always get great help and advice.Now for this problem in particular,it is in the section of the book that deals with derivatives so I asummed I'd have to use it at some point.Now the derivative I used is c(t)/t.So t is our differantiation constant.Now here lies my problem. Since this is ##
\frac f g## I used the rule. that is used which is $$\frac{f(x)' * g(x) - f(x) * g'(x)}{g(x)^2}$$ Now since I didnt get the same result,and after trying for about 40 minutes I went to look at the solution and they used the same rule (the numerator was the same) but they completely left the denomiantor, they simply derived without the g(x)^2 or in this case should be g(x)^4. Why is that so? What am I missing ?

Thanks
 
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arhzz said:
.. .and c (t) = 16t applies ##\quad## (10t + 20)^2 ...
What am I missing ?
I don't know what you are missing, but I miss a sensible problem statement :rolleyes:
 
arhzz said:
Now the derivative I used is c(t)/t.So t is our differantiation constant.Now here lies my problem.
From now on you want to type a space after a period :smile:
And type sensible sentences (the first two are not: c(t)/t is not a derivative and definitely not constant !)

Let me guess: you were given $$ c(t) = {16 t\over (10t+20)^2}\qquad ?$$ If I guessed right, what is your ##f## and what is your ##g## ?
 
BvU said:
From now on you want to type a space after a period :smile:
And type sensible sentences (the first two are not: c(t)/t is not a derivative and definitely not constant !)

Let me guess: you were given $$ c(t) = {16 t\over (10t+20)^2}\qquad ?$$ If I guessed right, what is your ##f## and what is your ##g## ?
Yea I am given that, the thing is I am actually translating all of this from german,and it can be very tricky sometimes,especially because english is my 3rd language.I'll try to watch out on the phrases,and sentences sorry.

So as for your question, f is 16t and g should be ##(10t + 20)^2##
 
Correct. So you see the ##g^2 = (10t+20)^4## coming ...

The exercise asks for a maximum. At a maximum, the derivative is zero. And a fraction is zero if the numerator is zero (and the denominator is non-zero, which needs to be checked, of course).
##10t+20## is always positive and that is why they don't have to consider it.
 
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Yea I figured it would have to something with the way the exercise was asked,but thank you for the insight now I get it.But while I'm at it,what if 10t +20 wasnt always positive, if we had 10t-20 ? How would that change the exercise?
 
The patient would explode at t=2
 
Oh wow, that I didnt expect.Thanks for your help!
 
You are welcome!
 

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