Solving Differential Equation: Boy & Girl's Meeting Time

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The problem involves a boy on a boat at a distance H from the shore, observing a girl running with a constant velocity u parallel to the shore. The boy moves towards her with a speed v, maintaining a direct line of sight. The objective is to determine the time until they meet, framed within the context of differential equations and polar coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to establish a coordinate system where the girl is stationary and uses polar coordinates to describe the boat's motion. They derive a differential equation based on the velocity components of the boat and the girl.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the equations and suggest methods for integration, while others raise questions about potential transcription errors in the equations.
  • There are discussions about the implications of the girl's direction on the boy's movement and the need for a figure to clarify the setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the equations and suggesting integration techniques. There is no explicit consensus on the setup, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of checking signs in the equations and the potential need for visual aids to better understand the problem's geometry. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in integrating the derived equations.

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Homework Statement



A boy is on a boat, at a distance H from the shore, when he sees a girl (at the point on the shore where the distance is measured) running with a constant velocity u parallel to the shore. At that time, he moves towards her, with a speed v, in such a way, that the point of the boat is always pointed at the girl (so his vector is always pointing her way). Find the time of their meeting.


Homework Equations



$$ \vec{v}= \frac{dr}{dt}\hat{r}+r\frac{d\theta}{dt}\hat{\theta} $$

The Attempt at a Solution



I changed the system of coordinates so the girl is stationary at O' , and using polar coordinates since the vector of the boat is always in the radial direction. The velocity for the boat in polar coordinates can be written:
$$ \vec{v}= -(v+ucos\theta)\hat{r}+vsin\theta\hat{\theta} $$

And since the 2 quantities in front of the singular vectors must be the same, I get 2 differential equations which give me this:

$$ \frac{dr}{r}= \frac{-(v-ucos\theta)d\theta}{usin\theta} $$


I am a noob at solving differentials, so firstly, are my equations right, and second, can somebody help me figure out how to do the math? :confused:
 
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GregoryGr said:
are my equations right, and second, can somebody help me figure out how to do the math?
Yes, I agree with your first two equations, and I think the third is right. Once you have a solution you can check it satisfies the second one.
If you expand the numerator, the second term is easy to integrate. The first becomes the integral of a cosecant, which is standard enough that you can look it up. If you're interested in doing it from first principles, multiply top and bottom by sine and convert the sin2 in the denominator to 1-cos2. You can then factorise that and expand it using partial fractions. Each fraction is readily integrated.
 
GregoryGr said:
I changed the system of coordinates so the girl is stationary at O' , and using polar coordinates since the vector of the boat is always in the radial direction. The velocity for the boat in polar coordinates can be written:
$$ \vec{v}= -(v+ucos\theta)\hat{r}+vsin\theta\hat{\theta} $$

I think there should be "u" instead of v in front of sinθ. Check.


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ehild said:
I think there should be "u" instead of v in front of sinθ. Check.


ehild

Yes, I saw that, but it must be a transcription error since it is correct in the later equation.
 
A figure would be necessary. I assume that the girl runs to the left so the boy has a horizontal velocity component u to the right. See figure. That component and the boy's radial velocity component v add up and determine the boy's next position.
You see that the horizontal component u makes r increase, but θ decrease.

In case the girl run to the right, the boy would move in the second quadrant, the angle θ would increase as the boy approaches the girl.

What is your set-up? Check the signs.

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haruspex said:
If you expand the numerator, the second term is easy to integrate. The first becomes the integral of a cosecant, which is standard enough that you can look it up. If you're interested in doing it from first principles, multiply top and bottom by sine and convert the sin2 in the denominator to 1-cos2. You can then factorise that and expand it using partial fractions. Each fraction is readily integrated.

There is a standard substitution when you have to integrate a rational function of sines and cosines. All trigonometric functions can be written in terms of tan(x/2), and then the substitution z=tan(x/2), dx = 2/(1+z2) dz can be used.

[tex]\sin(x)= \frac {2\tan(x/2)}{1+\tan^2(x/2)}[/tex]
[tex]\cos(x)= \frac {1-\tan^2(x/2)}{1+\tan^2(x/2)}[/tex]

[tex]\int {\frac{1}{\sin(x)}= \frac {1+\tan^2(x/2)}{2\tan(x/2)}dx}= \int {\frac {1+z^2}{2z}2 \frac{1}{1+z^2}dz}=\int {\frac {1}{z} dz}= \log|tan(x/2)|+C[/tex]ehild
 

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