Solving Difficult Integral: x/(x-a)^0.5 from 10^-3 to 10^-2

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral of the function (x/(x-a))^0.5, where "a" is defined as a distance between 10^-3 and 10^-2. Participants explore methods for simplifying the integral and seek alternative approaches to arrive at a solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance with the integral, expressing that it appears simple but is actually complex, and shares the output from the Wolfram integrator.
  • Another participant suggests a substitution method using x = a sec²(θ) to simplify the integral.
  • A participant reiterates the Wolfram output and emphasizes the importance of using the exact fraction 1/2 instead of the decimal 0.5 to potentially yield a simpler answer.
  • A later reply confirms that using 1/2 provided a sensible answer, indicating a possible resolution for that participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single solution method, as participants propose different approaches and substitutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to solve the integral.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the complexity of the integral and the outputs from computational tools, indicating potential limitations in their mathematical approaches.

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Please help required with this integral:
(x/(x-a))^0.5 where "a" is a start distance of 10^-3 and the final distance needs to be 10^-2

It looks simple but its not.
Wolfram integrator gave this answer:

Integrate[(x/(x - a))^0.5, x] ==
(0.*(x/(-a + x))^0.5*(-a + x)^0.5)/x^0.5 + (2.*(x/(-a + x))^0.5*(-a + x)^0.5*(-1.*a + x)^0.5* Hypergeometric2F1[0.5, -0.5, 1.5, 1. - (1.*x)/a])/ (0. + x/a)^0.5

Which is way way over my head. Is there a simpler solution?
 
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Assuming the integral you want to solve is [tex]\int \sqrt{ \frac{x}{x-a}} dx[/tex], make the substitution [itex]x= a \sec^2 \theta[/itex].
 
Per Oni said:
Wolfram integrator gave this answer:

Integrate[(x/(x - a))^0.5, x] ==
(0.*(x/(-a + x))^0.5*(-a + x)^0.5)/x^0.5 + (2.*(x/(-a + x))^0.5*(-a + x)^0.5*(-1.*a + x)^0.5* Hypergeometric2F1[0.5, -0.5, 1.5, 1. - (1.*x)/a])/ (0. + x/a)^0.5

Which is way way over my head. Is there a simpler solution?

Tell Wolfram again, but this time use 1/2 and not 0.5 ... this tells Wolfram that the exponent is an exact number, and not just a decimal approximation to some number. If the exponent is very close to 1/2, but perhaps not equal to 1/2, then the answer will come out as an 2F1 as shown. But if the exponent is exactly 1/2, then you can get an answer in logarithms.
 
g_edgar said:
Tell Wolfram again, but this time use 1/2 and not 0.5 ... this tells Wolfram that the exponent is an exact number, and not just a decimal approximation to some number. If the exponent is very close to 1/2, but perhaps not equal to 1/2, then the answer will come out as an 2F1 as shown. But if the exponent is exactly 1/2, then you can get an answer in logarithms.

Thanks a lot. Using 1/2 gave me a sensible answer.
 

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