Solving Doomsday Equations: Initial Conditions and Finite Time Limits

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation known as a doomsday equation, represented as dy/dt = ky^(1+c), where k is a positive constant and c is a positive number. The participants are tasked with finding a solution that meets a specific initial condition, demonstrating the existence of a finite time at which the solution approaches infinity, and analyzing a specific scenario involving rabbit population growth.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the differential equation and the implications of initial conditions. There is confusion regarding the notation used, particularly the interchange of variables and the proper setup of the equation. Some participants attempt to isolate variables and express the solution in terms of the initial condition, while others question the correctness of their manipulations and seek clarification on the steps involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively working through the integration process and addressing misunderstandings about variable notation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the separation of variables and integration steps, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the solution or the implications for parts b and c of the problem.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of the differential equation and its implications, with some expressing uncertainty about the correct approach to isolating variables and defining constants based on initial conditions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify assumptions and definitions as they work through the problem.

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Homework Statement


P: Let c be a positive number. A differential equation of the form: dy/dt = ky^(1+c)

where k is a positive constant, is called a doomsday equation because the equation in the expression ky^(1+c) is larger than that for natural growth (that is, ky).

(a) Determine the solution that satisfies the initial condition y(0)=y(subzero)

(b) Show that there is a finite time t = ta (doomsday) such that lim(t->T-) wy(t) = infinity

(c) An especially prolific breed of rabbits has the growth term ky^(1.01). If 2 such rabbits breed initially and the warren has 16 rabbits after three months, then when is doomsday?

Homework Equations



integration

The Attempt at a Solution



First i wanted to find solution to the dy/dx (meaning i integrated it)

I got y^c = -c(kx+T)

but i could not define it as function y because of the negative sign in front of C

What should i do?
 
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hangainlover said:

Homework Statement


P: Let c be a positive number. A differential equation of the form: dy/dt = ky^(1+c)

where k is a positive constant, is called a doomsday equation because the equation in the expression ky^(1+c) is larger than that for natural growth (that is, ky).

(a) Determine the solution that satisfies the initial condition y(0)=y(subzero)

(b) Show that there is a finite time t = ta (doomsday) such that lim(t->T-) wy(t) = infinity

(c) An especially prolific breed of rabbits has the growth term ky^(1.01). If 2 such rabbits breed initially and the warren has 16 rabbits after three months, then when is doomsday?

Homework Equations



integration

The Attempt at a Solution



First i wanted to find solution to the dy/dx (meaning i integrated it)
I'm not sure what you mean by "solution to the dy/dx." There is no x in this problem, so it doesn't make sense to talk about dy/dx. And maybe you are using "dy/dx" as shorthand for differential equation, which is needlessly confusing.
hangainlover said:
I got y^c = -c(kx+T)
Your solution above is incorrect, and not only because you have x instead of t.

The differential equation dy/dt = ky1+c is separable. Your next equation should be dy/(y1 + c) = k dt. Integrate both sides. What do you get?
hangainlover said:
but i could not define it as function y because of the negative sign in front of C

What should i do?
 
sorry what i meant by dx or x were dt and t
i apologize for that confusion.
so starting from dy/(y1 + c) = k dt
If i integrate that, 1/(1-1-c)y^(-1-c+1) =kt + T (upper case T is the constant)
-c^(-1)*y^(-c)=kt+T
I got y^(-c)=-c(kt+T)

what am i doing wrong?
 
Not knowing how to isolate Y by getting rid of that the exponent, -c, i decided to plug in the initial condition to define the constant T.

at t=0, y^(-c)=-c*T
A(initial)^(-c) =-cT
Therefore, T= ((A(initial)^(-c))/(-c)
 
hangainlover said:
sorry what i meant by dx or x were dt and t
i apologize for that confusion.
so starting from dy/(y1 + c) = k dt
If i integrate that, 1/(1-1-c)y^(-1-c+1) =kt + T (upper case T is the constant)
-c^(-1)*y^(-c)=kt+T
I got y^(-c)=-c(kt+T)

what am i doing wrong?
Looks fine so far. You can simplify it some more, though.
y^{-c} = -c(kt + T)
\Rightarrow \frac{1}{y^c}= -(ckt + cT)
\Rightarrow y^c= \frac{-1}{ckt + cT}
\Rightarrow y = y(t) = \left(\frac{-1}{ckt + cT}\right)^{1/c}

Now use your initial condition that y(0) = y0 and continue from there to parts b and c of your problem.
 
so at t=0, ((-1)/(cT))^(1/c) =A initial

-1/(cT) = A (initial)^c
T = -1 /(cA^c)

after substituting that for the constant T, i get, y(t) = (-A^c)/((A^c)*(kt)-1)

you can see that at t=1/k, as t approaches T from the negative side, the y value approahces infinity
does this answer part b?
 

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