Solving EM Problem with Variation of Parameters

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation related to electromagnetic problems using the variation of parameters method. Participants explore the appropriate forms of solutions, initial conditions, and the distinction between homogeneous and non-homogeneous equations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using cosine and sine functions as potential solutions and questions their appropriateness compared to exponential functions.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation can be solved using exponential functions for the homogeneous part and a constant for the particular solution.
  • A participant presents a general solution derived from the homogeneous equation but expresses confusion about determining specific constants from initial conditions.
  • Another participant clarifies that a particular solution must be added to the homogeneous solution before applying initial conditions to find specific constants.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the initial conditions leading to the conclusion that the only solution could be the constant function x(t) = 0.
  • Concerns are raised about the correct approach to finding the complete solution, emphasizing that both parts must satisfy the initial conditions together.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to solving the equation, particularly regarding the use of initial conditions and the necessity of including a particular solution. No consensus is reached on the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between the homogeneous and non-homogeneous parts of the equation, as well as the need for clarity in applying initial conditions. There is uncertainty regarding the specific conditions required to derive a non-trivial solution.

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I am trying to solve the following equation using the variation of parameters method

d2x/dt2-(q2Bz2/m2)x=qEx/m

I have put x1=cos(t) and x2=sin(t) into the Wronskian method. Can someone tell me if these are the correct functions to use, or should I be using exponential functions.

Any help would be great...
 
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Your equation is of the form x'' - a2x = b. This will have solutions of the form eax and e-ax for the homogeneous equation and a constant function for a particular solution of the non-homogeneous equation.

Google "constant coefficient differential equations" in Google.
 
This has given me the general equation

x(t)=C1e(qBz/m)t + C2e(-qBz/m)t

Assuming this to be correct I have the conditions x=0, vx=0 at t=0. These do not give me specific values for C1 or C2. It gives

C1 = -C2 and C1 = C2 respectively.

A specific solution is expected. Should I be looking for other conditions or am I doing something wrong?
 
You have solutions to the homogeneous equation. You need to add a particular solution to the non-homogeneous equation before you have the general solution. Then you can figure out the constants.
 
HPRF said:
This has given me the general equation

x(t)=C1e(qBz/m)t + C2e(-qBz/m)t

Assuming this to be correct I have the conditions x=0, vx=0 at t=0. These do not give me specific values for C1 or C2. It gives

C1 = -C2 and C1 = C2 respectively.

A specific solution is expected. Should I be looking for other conditions or am I doing something wrong?
I assume you are no longer talking about the non-homogeneous equation.

Yes, those initial conditions give [itex]C_1= -C_2[/itex] and [itex]C_1= C_2[/itex]. But why do you say they do not give a specific solution? Adding the two equations, [itex]C_2[/itex] cancels and we have [itex]2C_1= 0[/itex] so [itex]C_1= 0[/itex] and then [itex]C_2= 0[/itex]. You can't get more "specific" than that!

That is, the solution to [itex]d^2x/dt^2-(q^2B_z^2/m^2)x= 0[/itex] with v(0)= 0, [itex]v_x(0)= 0[/itex] is the constant function x(t)= 0. It should be obvious that x(t)= 0 satisifies both differential equation and initial conditions.

Warning: If you are still talking about the non-homogeneous equation, you cannot first find [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]C_2[/itex] by using the initial conditions and then add the "specific solution". The entire solution, both "homogeneous" part and "specific solution", together, must satisfy the intial conditions.

First add the specific solution to get the entire solution, then apply the initial conditions.
 

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