Solving Equation for Real Solutions

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The discussion revolves around finding the number of real solutions to a series equation and determining the intervals of convergence for the series involved. The subject area includes infinite series and convergence criteria.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the convergence of the series for different values of x, questioning the conditions under which the series diverges or converges. There are attempts to clarify the nature of the equation and the implications of the limits used in the analysis.

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Some participants have provided insights into the convergence behavior of the series for x < 1 and x > 1. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these findings, with multiple interpretations being considered. Guidance has been offered regarding the breakdown of the series into simpler components.

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There are discussions about the proper interpretation of the series and the conditions under which it converges. Some participants express uncertainty about the steps taken in the analysis, particularly regarding the treatment of terms in the limits.

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Homework Statement


I have to find the number of (real) solutions to the following equation and place them in intervals of size 1.
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=1[/tex]

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I have been able to prove that x > 1, because the series does not converge if x < 1. I was thinking of finding how much the series is, but I don't think I can do that (or at least I don't know how to).
 
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This isn't an equation, so it doesn't make sense to look for solutions.

Are you asking for what values of x (as intervals) this series converges?
 
Yes, that's what I'm asking. Thanks for any help.
 
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Can you show what you did to establish that the series diverges for x < 1 and that it converges for x > 1?
 
If x < 1:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{n\cdot(n+1)}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{1}{x^{n+1}}=\infty[/tex]
So the series does not converge.

However if x > 1:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{1}{x\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=0[/tex]
So the series might converge if x > 1.

[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{\frac{1}{x\cdot (n+1)\cdot(n+2)}}{\frac{1}{x\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{n}{n+2}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{2n}{n+2}=2[/tex]
Therefore the series converges if x > 1.
 
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Oh I just noticed for some reason the tex didn't display the equation properly...
I want to find the solutions so that the series equals to 1, but it didn't display it.
eq.latex?\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot%20n\cdot(n+1)}=1.gif

Sorry about that.
 
springo said:
If x < 1:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{n\cdot(n+1)}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{1}{x^{n+1}}=\infty[/tex]
So the series does not converge.
What's your justification for the expression after the first = sign? Why does x disappear from the numerator, but not the denominator? If you're cancelling, you can't do that, since the x term isn't a factor in the numerator.
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However if x > 1:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n+n^2+n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{x^n}{x^{n+1}\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{1}{x\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}=0[/tex]
So the series might converge if x > 1.
What's your justification for the expression after the first = sign? Why did the terms in n disappear from the numerator?
springo said:
[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{\frac{1}{x\cdot (n+1)\cdot(n+2)}}{\frac{1}{x\cdot n\cdot(n+1)}}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}n\cdot\left(1-\frac{n}{n+2}\right)=\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}\frac{2n}{n+2}=2[/tex]
Therefore the series converges if x > 1.
 
Sure the series converges for x>1. Break it up into 1/(x*n*(n+1))+1/x^(n+1). Compute the sum of each series. One is geometric and one telescopes.
 
If x < 1, xn is 0 as n approaches infinity whereas n(n+1) approaches infinity, so we can take xn out.
If x > 1, xn approaches infinity much faster than n(n+1), so the following is true: xn + n(n+1) ~ xn.

OK, so I did split into geometric and telescope, added them back and found 1/(x-1) = 1. So x = 2, is that correct?
 
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springo said:
If x < 1, xn is 0 as n approaches infinity whereas n(n+1) approaches infinity, so we can take xn out.
If x > 1, xn approaches infinity much faster than n(n+1), so the following is true: xn + n(n+1) ~ xn.

OK, so I did split into geometric and telescope, added them back and found 1/(x-1) = 1. So x = 2, is that correct?

That's what I got.
 
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Thanks a lot for your help!
 

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