Solving equation of motion for two body problem

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The original poster presents a problem involving the equation of motion for a two-body system, specifically focusing on the relationship between acceleration and position in one dimension. The equation given is ##\ddot{r} = c \frac{1}{r^2}##, where ##c## is a constant and ##r## represents the position of one object relative to another. The goal is to find the function ##\dot{r}(r)##.

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  • Participants discuss the challenge of integrating the acceleration with respect to time, given that position is also a function of time. Some suggest using a substitution for velocity, while others explore separating variables for integration. There is a focus on the implications of using definite versus indefinite integrals.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches to integrate the equations. Some have suggested separating variables and using definite integrals to incorporate initial conditions. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the derived expressions, but guidance has been provided on how to proceed with the integration.

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Participants are considering the implications of initial conditions and the need for proper integration techniques in the context of the problem. The discussion reflects an exploration of assumptions related to the motion of the two bodies and the mathematical relationships involved.

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##\ddot{r} = c \frac{1}{r^2}##, where ##c## is a constant, and ##r## is the position of one object with respect to the other. I need to find the function ##\dot{r}(r)##

We are in one dimension.

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I don't really have any idea how to start.
The acceleration is a function of the position, but the position is also a function of the acceleration. To get ##\dot{r}## I should integrate with respect to time but ##r## is dependent on time which makes it problematic as I won't need that in my solution. There has to be some magic trick here.
 
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Robin04 said:
There has to be some magic trick here.

Let ##v=dr/dt##. Then,
$$\frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dr} \frac{dr}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dr} v.$$
 
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George Jones said:
Let ##v=dr/dt##. Then,
$$\frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dr} \frac{dr}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dr} v.$$
So ##c\frac{1}{r^2}= \frac{dv}{dr}v##, then ##\frac{c}{vr^2}=\frac{dv}{dr}##, and ##v = \int \frac{c}{vr^2} dr##, whis means ##v^2=c\int \frac{1}{r^2}dr##.
##v= \sqrt{C-\frac{c}{r}}## is this correct? (##C## is the constant of integration)
 
Robin04 said:
So ##c\frac{1}{r^2}= \frac{dv}{dr}v##, then ##\frac{c}{vr^2}=\frac{dv}{dr}##, and ##v = \int \frac{c}{vr^2} dr##, whis means ##v^2=c\int \frac{1}{r^2}dr##.
##v= \sqrt{C-\frac{c}{r}}## is this correct? (##C## is the constant of integration)
No, you need to separate the r and v.

##c\frac{1}{r^2}~dr = v~dv##

Now both sides can be integrated.
 
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gneill said:
No, you need to separate the r and v.

##c\frac{1}{r^2}~dr = v~dv##

Now both sides can be integrated.
##C-\frac{c}{r} = \frac{v^2}{2}##
##v=\sqrt{K-\frac{2c}{r}}##, where ##K=2C##
 
Robin04 said:
##C-\frac{c}{r} = \frac{v^2}{2}##
##v=\sqrt{K-\frac{2c}{r}}##, where ##K=2C##

Instead of doing indefinite integrals and having a constant of integration, you might want to do definite integrals with limits from ##r_0## to ##r## and ##v_0## to ##v##. This automatically incorporates initial conditions.
 
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George Jones said:
Instead of doing indefinite integrals and having a constant of integration, you might want to do definite integrals with limits from ##r_0## to ##r## and ##v_0## to ##v##. This automatically incorporates initial conditions.
##\int_{r_0}^r \frac{c}{r^2}dr= \int_{v_0}^v v dv##
##-\frac{c}{r}+\frac{c}{r_0}=\frac{v^2}{2}-\frac{v_0^2}{2}##
##v=\sqrt{v_0^2+2c(\frac{1}{r_0}-\frac{1}{r})}##
 
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@gneill liked my last comment, so I guess it's correct. Thank you very much for your help! :)
 

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