How Can I Solve for the Equilibrium Constants in These Equations?

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The discussion focuses on calculating equilibrium constants from a set of five equations related to a chemical system. The user struggles with the algebraic manipulation required to derive these constants, specifically noting that the value of X is fixed at 200 and that K_{out} equals Cl_{out}. Participants highlight that the issue arises from having too many dependent equations, leading to trivial results like 0=0. The solution involves identifying and ignoring superfluous equations to isolate independent relationships necessary for calculating the equilibrium constants.

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Homework Statement
With the 5 equations, the equilibrium contants can be calculated at the bottom. (See image)
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My complication
I am aware that X = 200 thus that value remains at that. Also, From the fourth equation K_{out} = Cl_{out}. But, I cannot seem to work out the values. If not simple algebra, what am I missing?
 
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Won't hurt if you would explain what is the question that you are solving, at the moment you just posted a bunch of equations describing some undefined system.
 
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From this, finding the concentrations at equilibrium.
 
I understand how the equations are set up but I can't seem to solve the maths to get the equilibrium constants. Is there something I am missing? Like I said, I am aware that X = 200 thus that value remains at that. Also, From the fourth equation K_{out} = Cl_{out}.
 
Simple algebra.

My bet is your problem is related to the fact you have too many equations - they are not all independent, which makes you getting 0=0 type result.
 
By equilibrium constants are we to guess that the protein forms complexes we might call XCl- and XCl2 in non-coperative fashion so it is characterised by a single equilibrium constant which it is required to calculate from the data?

I think you had better cite the entire question.
 
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epenguin said:
By equilibrium constants are we to guess that the protein forms complexes we might call XCl- and XCl2 in non-coperative fashion so it is characterised by a single equilibrium constant which it is required to calculate from the data?

I think you had better cite the entire question.

The whole question is posted in post number 3. https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=4410136&postcount=3
 
You do realize there is no problem with solving the question using your approach and the simple algebra, it is just a matter of ignoring superfluous information?
 
Borek said:
You do realize there is no problem with solving the question using your approach and the simple algebra, it is just a matter of ignoring superfluous information?

When I substitute into each other, they all just cancel out to 0=0.
 
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Which is exactly what I wrote in the post #5 - have you read it? That's because the linear equations are not independent. Ignore one of the linear ones and you will get the correct answer.
 

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