Solving Exponent Questions: 0< s,t,u<1

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The discussion revolves around estimating the expression s+(s+t)10^6+u10^12, where 0 < s, t, u < 1. Participants explore potential approximations and the influence of the relative sizes of s, t, and u on the outcome.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the answer may depend on the relative sizes of s, t, and u, proposing specific values for testing.
  • Another participant notes that the first term can be dropped for estimation purposes, arguing that the second or third term could dominate based on the values of s+t and u.
  • It is mentioned that for the sum to be close to 10^12, u must be relatively large, while for it to be close to s+t+u, s+t must be small compared to u.
  • One participant questions whether (s+t+u)10^6 could be a valid answer, noting it would generally be an underestimate unless u is very small compared to s+t.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on which terms dominate the expression and how to approach the estimation, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the outcome may vary significantly based on the specific values of s, t, and u, and that assumptions about their relative sizes are crucial for estimation.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring mathematical estimation techniques, particularly in the context of expressions involving small fractions and powers of ten.

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If 0< s,t,u<1

then which of the following is close to s+(s+t)10^6+u10^12

1. (s+t+u)10^12
2. 10^12
3. 10^18
OR what else do u think is the answer?
 
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More to the point, what do YOU think is the answer. Have you tried putting specific values, say s= 1/4, t= 1/2, u= 3/4 and see what happens? The answer will, I suspect, depend upon the relative sizes of s, t, and u. For example, it u= 10-12, then that 1012 term disappears.
 
I don't know the answer honestly. I know it all depends on the size of proper fractions also what happens if all the fractions are equal. I'll appreciate if anyone can explain the strategy to solve such questions quickly.
thanks
 
The first term is irrelevant and can be dropped for the purpose of estimation. It can't affect the total by even one part in a million.

It's possible for the second term or the third term to dominate, depending on the values of s+t vs. u. For the sum to be close to 10^12, u must be large -- around x to be within a factor of x. (If you want it to be within 1%, u needs to be around 0.99.)

For the sum to be close to s+t+u, s+t must be small compared to u.
 
i have gone through the question again and the 4th choice is (s+t+u)10^6. do u think this could be the answer?
 
kkaman said:
i have gone through the question again and the 4th choice is (s+t+u)10^6. do u think this could be the answer?

It's always an underestimate, but if u is tiny compared to s+t it could be close. Usually it would not be close.
 

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