Solving f(x): Finding a & b for Continuity/Differentiability

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The discussion revolves around the function f defined piecewise, with a focus on determining the values of parameters a and b that ensure the function is both continuous and differentiable at a specific point. The problem involves analyzing the relationships between these parameters based on the conditions of continuity and differentiability.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between a and b, with one noting an equation derived from continuity conditions. There are questions regarding the correctness of the quoted problem and the assumptions made about the relationship between a and b. Others raise points about the differentiability condition and the implications of continuity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the conditions necessary for continuity and differentiability. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider both conditions, and there is an exploration of the implications of differentiability at the point of interest.

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Let f be the function defined as:

f(x) = { x+2 , x < 2
{ ax^2+bx, x >(or equal to) 2

a) what is the relationship between a and b?
I got 2a+b=2
b) find the unique values of a and b that will make f both continuous and differentiable.

i substitued (2-2a) into b and got down to y=ax^2+2x-2ax, but now what?
 
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I moved this thread to the homework forums. Jerry -- you've used the homework forums before, so I know that you know the rules. This is the 2nd thread of yours that I've had to move tonight. So even though you showed some work in this post (none in the previous post), I'm going to issue some warning points. Please keep homework posts in the HW forums.
 
Well, except with the new PF forum changes, I don't see the usual WARN button. Okay, you skated this time -- next time I look harder for the new WARN button placement...
 
Well so far, you considered the continuity condition, but what about the differentiability condition?
 
Fusilli_Jerry89 said:
Let f be the function defined as:

f(x) = { x+2 , x < 2
{ ax^2+bx, x >(or equal to) 2

a) what is the relationship between a and b?
I got 2a+b=2
b) find the unique values of a and b that will make f both continuous and differentiable.

i substitued (2-2a) into b and got down to y=ax^2+2x-2ax, but now what?

Are you sure you have quoted the problem correctly?
If
"Let f be the function defined as:

f(x) = { x+2 , x < 2
{ ax^2+bx, x >(or equal to) 2"
there doesn't have to be ANY particular relationship between a and b!
HOW did you get 2a+ b= 2?

IF f is continuous at x= 2, then f(2)= 2+ 2= 4= 4a+ 2b so you get 2a+ b= 2 but that isn't given until part b.

What is the derivative of x+ 2 at x= 2? What is the derivative of ax2+ bx at x= 2?


(Note: If a function is differentiable at x= 2, it is not necessarily the case that the derivative is continuous at x= 2. However, any derivative must satisfy the a "intermediate value property" so if the two "one-sided" limits exist, they must be the same. THAT means that the two values above must be the same.)

By the way, the word is "PIECEwise".
 
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Also keep in mind, that a continuous function is not necessarily differentiable at a point x. Case in point: f(x) = | x | at x = 0

Here we see that f(x) satisfies the 3 conditions necessary for continuity:

1. f(0) is defined

2. [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} | x |[/tex] exists

3. [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} = f(0)[/tex]

Yet, f(x) is not differentiable at x = 0 (differentiable everywhere else).

If f is differentiable at a, then f is continuous at a. Unfortunately, this does not mean if f is continuous at a, f is differentiable at a. As seen above.
 
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