Solving First Order Differential Equations - A Beginner's Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order differential equation represented as y' = x + 5y. Participants are exploring various methods and approaches to find a solution, with a focus on understanding the structure and characteristics of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest trying simple forms for the solution, such as y = ax + b, and discuss the asymptotic behavior of the differential equation. There is a mention of using an integrating factor and exploring the form y = f(x)e^(5x) to simplify the equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and suggestions for potential approaches. There is recognition of the equation's structure and the application of integrating factors, though no consensus on a specific method has been reached yet.

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Some participants question the initial setup and notation of the differential equation, indicating a need for clarity in the definitions used. There is also a reference to previous experiences with differential equations that may influence current reasoning.

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I am new to to this topic, hints?

[tex]y^1=x+5y[/tex]

The only examples are in the form dy/dx+p[x(y)]=Q[x]
 
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Try some simple forms for the solution. y=ax+b should work.

If you want to be less reliant on luck, you could try looking at the asymptotic behavior of the DE. It seems to resemble the equation for exponential growth, in which case the y term would soon dominate over the x term on the RHS, and the solution would approach true exponential growth more and more closely. This suggests trying a solution of the form y=f(x) e5x. Plugging this in and deriving a DE for f(x), you get something you can solve easily, but it turns out the exponential cancels, and you're left with something of the above form.
 
Do you mean the differential equation y'= x+ 5y?

You say "The only examples are in the form dy/dx+p[x(y)]=Q[x]". Surely you must mean dy/dx+ p(y(x))= Q(x). This is exactly of that form:
dy/dx- 5y= x. p(y)= 5y and Q(x)= x. StatusX's suggestion of trying y= f(x)e5x is excellent but you could do basically the same thing by multiplying the entire equation by e5x (an "integrating factor"):
[tex]e^{5x}\frac{dy}{dx}+ 5e^{5x}y= xe^{5x}[/tex]
because
[tex]\frac{d(e^{5x}y)}{dx}= e^{5x}\frac{dy}{dx}+ 5e^{5x}y[/tex]
by the product rule. The problem reduces to an integration by parts.
 
Right, sorry. I've been doing DEs lately where there's no obvious solution, and these are the methods I've used. I forgot that equations of this form have a general method of solution, namely http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_factor" . Thanks Halls.
 
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soo..[tex]\int \frac{d}{dx}(e^5^xy) - \int 5e^5^x = 5e^5^xy[/tex]?
 

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