Solving for Constants in Dirichlet Kernel Integral Approximations

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The discussion revolves around the Dirichlet kernel and the task of proving the existence of positive constants related to the integral of its absolute value over a specified interval. Participants are exploring the properties of the Dirichlet kernel and its implications for the integral's bounds.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are examining the properties of the Dirichlet kernel, particularly its absolute value and its behavior over the interval from -π to π. Questions arise regarding the constants c_1 and c_2 and their dependence on n. Some participants suggest considering the even nature of the function to simplify the integral.

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The discussion includes various attempts to analyze the integral and its bounds, with some participants providing insights into the behavior of the Dirichlet kernel. There is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in finding the integral, and some guidance has been offered regarding how to approach the problem by breaking it into intervals.

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Participants note that the Dirichlet kernel has roots, which complicates the analysis of its absolute value. The discussion also highlights the need to treat certain intervals differently due to the nature of the sine function involved in the kernel's expression.

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I'm stuck trying to solve the following problem:

If D_n is the Dirichlet kernel, show that there exist positive constants c_1 and c_2 such that
<br /> c_1 \log n \le \int\limits_{ - \pi }^\pi {\left| {D_n \left( t \right)} \right|dt} \le c_2 \log n ,<br />​
for n=2,3,4,.... By \log they mean the natural logarithm.

I know that
<br /> D_n \left( t \right) = \frac{1}{\pi }\left( {\frac{1}{2} + \sum\limits_{N = 1}^n {\cos \left( {Nt} \right)} } \right) = \frac{1}{{2\pi }}\sum\limits_{N = - n}^n {e^{iNt} } = \frac{{\sin \left( {nt + \frac{t}{2}} \right)}}{{2\pi \sin \left( {\frac{t}{2}} \right)}}<br />​
And it's easy to see that
<br /> \left| {D_n \left( t \right)} \right| = \frac{1}{\pi }\left( {\frac{1}{2} + \left| {\sum\limits_{N = 1}^n {\cos \left( {Nt} \right)} } \right|} \right) \le \frac{1}{\pi }\left( {\frac{1}{2} + n} \right)<br />​
But that is all I can do. I have no idea on how \log comes into the picture. Any help, suggestions or tips would be much appreciated.
 
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Zaare, isn't |D_n(t)| always greater than \frac{1}{2\pi}? Thus the integral of that over -pi to pi is 1. Thus that integral is always greater than 1. So what does c_1 (in terms of n) have to be to make the expression hold? Same dif for the other side right since (according to your results:

|D_n(t)|\leq \frac{1}{\pi}(\frac{1}{2}+n)

So the integral is always less than 1+2n. Now, what does c_2 have to be to satisfy this one?
 
D_2(t) (according to the forumula involving sines) has a root at t = 2 pi/5. So its absolute value isn't always greater than any positive number.
 
HackaB said:
D_2(t) (according to the forumula involving sines) has a root at t = 2 pi/5. So its absolute value isn't always greater than any positive number.

Thanks for pointing that out HackaB. I see now that the last inequality should be:


|D_n(t)|=|\frac{1}{2\pi}+\frac{1}{\pi}\sum_N^n Cos(Nt)|
 
Hi, notice the Dirichlet kernel is an even function, so it's enough to consider the integral on 0 to pi.

Using the

\frac{{\sin \left( {nt + \frac{t}{2}} \right)}}{{2\pi \sin \left( {\frac{t}{2}} \right)}}

version, you see it changes sign whenever \sin \left( {nt + \frac{t}{2}} \right)=0, find all these points and treat separately the integral on each of these intervals. This removes the absolute value problem.

Now finding the integral on each of these intervals isn't easy, but fortunately a good enough approximation isn't difficult. Find (constant) bounds for 1/\sin(t/2) separately on each of these smaller intervals to remove it from the integrals, then integrate, sum and you're nearly done. Nothing fancy for the bounds is needed, a partial hint remember \sin{x}\leq x.

One more thing, you'll have to treat the interval containing 0 in a different way, but I'll leave that to you.
 
Finally, I solved this a couple of days ago.
Schmoe, I followed your "recipe". It was of great help.
Thank you all.
 

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