Solving for \Pi: Unraveling the Logarithmic Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around rearranging the logarithmic equation \(\Theta = \log \left(\frac{\Pi}{1-\Pi}\right)\) to solve for \(\Pi\). Participants explore different approaches and corrections related to the manipulation of logarithmic and exponential functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt to rearrange the equation, leading to a proposed solution for \(\Pi\).
  • Multiple participants identify a mistake in the second step of the initial attempt, specifically the incorrect equation \( \exp^{\Theta} = \Pi - (1-\Pi) \).
  • Some participants suggest using the basic definition of logarithms to derive the correct form of the equation.
  • There are differing formulations presented for the rearranged equation, including \(\Pi = \frac{\exp^{\Theta}}{1+\exp^{\Theta}}\) and \(\Pi = \frac{\exp^{\Theta}}{1-\exp^{\Theta}}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a mistake in the initial rearrangement, but there is disagreement regarding the correct final form of the equation for \(\Pi\), with multiple competing formulations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of logarithmic and exponential functions are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve which formulation of \(\Pi\) is correct.

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Hi,

I have the following equation:

\Theta = log \left(\frac{\Pi}{1-\Pi}\right)

I want to re-arrange it for \Pi

Here's my attempt:

\Theta = log \left( \frac{\Pi}{1-\Pi}\right)

\Theta = log \left( \Pi \right) - log \left(1-\Pi \right)

exp^{\Theta} = \Pi - (1-\Pi)

exp^{\Theta} = 2\Pi - 1

1 + exp^{\Theta} = 2\Pi

\Pi = \frac{1 + exp^{\Theta}}{2}

The answer should be

\Pi = \frac{exp^{\Theta}}{1+exp^{\Theta}}

Any idea where I'm going wrong?
 
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Your mistake was on the 2nd step you made: exp^{\Theta} = \Pi - (1-\Pi)

Try using the basic definition of logs: log_ab=c hence a^c=b
 
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Mentallic said:
Your mistake was on the 2nd step you made: exp^{\Theta} = \Pi - (1-\Pi)

Try using the basic definition of logs: log_ab=c hence a^c=b

\theta =\log \left(\frac{\Pi }{1+\Pi }\right)

\frac{\Pi }{1+\Pi }=\exp (\theta )

\Pi =\exp (\theta )+\exp (\theta ) \Pi

[1+\exp (\theta )]\Pi =\exp (\theta )

\Pi =\frac{\exp (\theta )}{1+\exp (\theta )}
 
zasdfgbnm said:
\theta =\log \left(\frac{\Pi }{1+\Pi }\right)

\frac{\Pi }{1+\Pi }=\exp (\theta )

\Pi =\exp (\theta )+\exp (\theta ) \Pi

[1+\exp (\theta )]\Pi =\exp (\theta )
This should be
1- \exp(\theta)]\Pi= \exp(\theta)

\Pi =\frac{\exp (\theta )}{1+\exp (\theta )}
\Pi =\frac{\exp (\theta )}{1-\exp (\theta )}
 
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