Solving for Tension in Two Block System

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The discussion focuses on determining the tension T1 in a horizontal string connecting two vertically hanging blocks of equal mass. The equations of motion, ΣFx and ΣFy, are applied to analyze the forces acting on the system. The initial attempt to solve for T1 involves incorrect assumptions about the horizontal forces, leading to confusion regarding the units and cancellation of terms. A suggestion is made to draw a free body diagram for better clarity and to derive the correct horizontal force equation from a specific point where the strings meet. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately representing forces in both the vertical and horizontal directions to solve the problem correctly.
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Homework Statement


Two blocks of equal mass hang vertically from a ceiling as shown in the diagram. A horizontal string connects the two vertical strings. Determine the tension T1 in the horizontal string. All strings are considered to be massless.


Homework Equations


ΣFx and ΣFy


The Attempt at a Solution


m1 = m2 (therefore I referred to the masses as just "m")
angle = 90(degrees)

ΣFy = may
Ta + Tb -mg -mg = 0
Ta + Tb - 2mg = 0
Ta + Tb = 2mg
Ta = 2mg - Tb


ΣFx = max
TaT1 - TbT1 = 0
TaT1 = TbT1
(2mg - Tb)T1 = TbT1
T1 = TbT1 / (2mg-Tb)

I got this question wrong and since there are no numerical values given I am unsure as to where I am going wrong.
 

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Inertialforce said:

Homework Statement


Two blocks of equal mass hang vertically from a ceiling as shown in the diagram. A horizontal string connects the two vertical strings. Determine the tension T1 in the horizontal string. All strings are considered to be massless.


Homework Equations


ΣFx and ΣFy


The Attempt at a Solution


m1 = m2 (therefore I referred to the masses as just "m")
angle = 90(degrees)

ΣFy = may
Ta + Tb -mg -mg = 0
Ta + Tb - 2mg = 0
Ta + Tb = 2mg
Ta = 2mg - Tb

I would suggest you also draw the freebody diagram for just one mass; then you can find the tension in each string Ta and Tb (though I don't think you need them for this problem).

ΣFx = max
TaT1 - TbT1 = 0
TaT1 = TbT1
(2mg - Tb)T1 = TbT1
T1 = TbT1 / (2mg-Tb)

This expression for the x direction does not look right. For example, you can see that you can just cancel out the T1 completely from any of these equations. Also, the expression TaT1 - TbT1 = 0 does not have the right units to be a force equation, and Ta and Tb do not have any components in the horizontal direction.

Instead, when you are writing the horizontal equation, pick a specific point (for example, one knot where strings come together) and write the horizontal equation for that. What do you get?
 
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