Solving Formula of Forces Homework

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The discussion revolves around the formula for force, specifically examining the expressions ρ(L^2)(v^2) and ρ(L^3). Participants are questioning the validity of these formulas and exploring the relationships between the variables involved, particularly in the context of dimensional analysis and physical constants.

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  • Participants are attempting to reconcile different expressions for force and questioning the implications of changing dimensions while keeping others constant. There are discussions about the relationships between density, length, and time, as well as the role of physical constants like viscosity.

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There is ongoing exploration of the correctness of the original formulas presented. Some participants are seeking clarification on the definitions of variables and the origins of the equations, while others are raising concerns about the assumptions made in the dimensional analysis.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of certain variables and the relevance of gravity in the context of the equations discussed. There is a lack of consensus on the correctness of the formulas, and the discussion is hindered by missing information about the context of the problem.

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from the notes , the author stated that force has the formula of ρ(L^2)(v^2) and also = ρ(L^3)
i think there's something wrong with the ρ(L^3)
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IMO , ρ(L^2)(v^2) can also be written as ρ(L^4)(T^2) , so Force is proportional to L^4 , am i right . ? IMO, the prototype force should be [ (100^4) ] x 0.12 N

correct me if i am wrong ...
 
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I'm not sure, but in your picture, one is ##\rho## and the other is ##\rho_r.## Maybe there is detailed definitions in the problem?
 
tommyxu3 said:
I'm not sure, but in your picture, one is ##\rho## and the other is ##\rho_r.## Maybe there is detailed definitions in the problem?
rho r is actually r , it's the pi buckingham theorem
 
foo9008 said:
ρ(L^2)(v^2) can also be written as ρ(L^4)(T^2) , so Force is proportional to L^4
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
 
haruspex said:
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
Then, what is the correct formula of force in this question?
 
haruspex said:
I guess you mean ρ(L^4)(T^-2), but either way it does not follow. The whole point of figuring out these dimensionless expressions is that you cannot change the scale of L and assume T fixed, etc. There are physical constants in the system, like viscosity, which impose a relationship between the fundamental dimensions. Changing L keeping T etc. fixed will therefore change the viscosity.
Similarly, density fixes a relationship between M and L.
so , the author is correct ? it is (rho)(L^2)(L ) , where (v^2) = L ??
 
foo9008 said:
so , the author is correct ? it is (rho)(L^2)(L ) , where (v^2) = L ??
I'm hampered by not knowing what Fr stands for in the first line.
I presume F=ρL2V2 comes from some earlier work.
If we accept both of those equations, the rest follows.
 
haruspex said:
I'm hampered by not knowing what Fr stands for in the first line.
I presume F=ρL2V2 comes from some earlier work.
If we accept both of those equations, the rest follows.
So, the authors working is correct??
 
foo9008 said:
So, the authors working is correct??
I'm not sure. I don't know where the first line of equations comes from, or what Fr represents. I'm surprised to see any reference to g here. How is gravity relevant? If gravity were to increase but the densities, masses, and lengths stay the same, those equations seem to say the velocity would increase. Why?
 

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